She Is His

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  • #521
Enigma, I can agree with you that Sue is in control of the frequency of sex with Paul. However, it is pretty clear to me that she enjoys doing things with particular attention to pleasing Paul rather than herself. Examples of this are giving up her ass to Paul. Something she had long not been a fan of over the long term with Steve, but did it to please Paul and give him "all of herself". Paul getting sex in the mornings even though Sue is not a big fan of morning sex. She does it to please Paul. Paul disappointing Sue by letting golf cause him to be late or unavailable for as long as Sue would like never seems to stop Sue from giving herself to him anyway.

Enigma, I agree with you that Sue is not a submissive in the more extreme way. But she does set aside her own wants to do the things she knows pleases Paul. Which is the core component in what she has been programming out of Steve.

Steve has also posted a few years ago that Sue had always had a submissive streak. I just don't see Steve seeing or getting to enjoy her submissive side moving forward.
 
  • #522
Steve,
I guess tonight is effectively the big farewell for a few days. I hope Sue makes tonight a little special for you. I'm sure you'll stay awake for a while after. Good luck, and in the morning too.
 
  • #523
Jaxunman said:
Enigma, I can agree with you that Sue is in control of the frequency of sex with Paul. However, it is pretty clear to me that she enjoys doing things with particular attention to pleasing Paul rather than herself. Examples of this are giving up her ass to Paul. Something she had long not been a fan of over the long term with Steve, but did it to please Paul and give him "all of herself". Paul getting sex in the mornings even though Sue is not a big fan of morning sex. She does it to please Paul. Paul disappointing Sue by letting golf cause him to be late or unavailable for as long as Sue would like never seems to stop Sue from giving herself to him anyway.

Enigma, I agree with you that Sue is not a submissive in the more extreme way. But she does set aside her own wants to do the things she knows pleases Paul. Which is the core component in what she has been programming out of Steve.

Steve has also posted a few years ago that Sue had always had a submissive streak. I just don't see Steve seeing or getting to enjoy her submissive side moving forward.

@Jaxunman I still find it amusing that Sue seems to be behaving with Paul how she used to behave with Steve, but now looks back on those times with Steve as feeling an obligation.....

I totally agree that Steve has been re-programmed from his more Alpha original self and at one point it read like classic NLP (Neuro-Lingustic Programming) with each of them re-enforcing the programming although I'm pretty sure that neither of them realised or understood what they were doing.

As for the future, who knows? I think that Steve & Sue's forecast retirement move will shake things up
 
  • #524
I haven't read everything but I am incredibly on-edge - that she is leaving tomorrow is now a reality and I am having the most conflicting feelings. We are surely going to be together later tonight, she's all but said that. I know that she will want to talk more too.
 
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  • #525
Steve,
Look at this as standing on the top of Everest. It's probably the peak of this phase of your relationship. Enjoy the five days, you spent a lot of energy getting here, but just remember more people die on the descent than the climb. Be careful as you go. There are not that many clear paths to where Sue and you seem to want to go and a few crevasses along the way.
 
  • #526
STB
good luck tonight and have fun.
when is her flight out.
and are you take her ring's off tonight. are as she is about to leave.
keep us posted.
 
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  • #527
My guess is that you will be super productive the remainer of the week trying to keep your mind busy or you will have to use a lot of lube to keep from chaffing your cock!
 
  • #528
I'm not sure where to start as I'm just feeling all over the place right now. She just left for work about an hour ago and I'm still uneasy about everything but I know, it's what is best for us.

I'm now re-reading/catching-up on what everyone has shared with me. Some of it is hard to read/re-read and some of it stings right now.

We had a long talk as most would expect last night. I'll just share that she asked me to tell her honestly if I wanted her to go or not to go. I said what I truly felt and I told her that I did want her to go. I don't know if it's mentally my penance for our moment of fun last weekend but its true, I do want her to go with him. She asked me to tell her a second time and to look at her when I said it and I did. She smiled as I said it and she hugged me and told me she loved me. I asked her if that was the answer she wanted and she said she would have accepted either a yes or no but she admitted she was happy that I said yes.

I need to get my thoughts together a bit more before I write any more. I"m feeling all sorts of weird stuff - part of me is horny (my cock is rock hard right now) but other parts of me are already feeling forlorn.

Dana, yes, she did leave her rings home. It's the first time she's taken them off in a while now. Another thing that stung this morning. It also made me feel all weird seeing her finishing packing this morning. They're on a United flight sometime this afternoon from Newark to Charleston after which they're driving to Hilton Head. They're staying at one of the Marriott's on the island. She promised to call and text with me before she leaves this afternoon.
 
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  • #529
This will be out of order but I just realized that I didn't share that she gave me a truly masterful blow-job last night!!!! Making me feel better talking about this for now. Some of what we talked about and stuff won't make sense to share right now, but we did follow our usual Wednesday and it honestly felt good to tell her and let her truly see that I was turned on by it all. We talked about a lot of my misgivings and such and she did make me feel better (okay?) about them.

I had hoped she might give me a surprise and as when I got really hard and into stroking away she looked at me and smiled and said "let me finish you baby". At first I felt her hand on mine and that alone would have been nice but even better was when she pulled my hand away and it was just hers. I was so getting into it when she smiled again and just said "enjoy this baby" and she just leaned down and took my cock into her mouth.

She gently held my balls the whole time but she really worked her mouth and other hand on my cock. Within just a few minutes I was starting to moan. I can only assume she'd been practicing edging Paul because she seems almost masterful at it now!. I could feel myself starting to throb and she seemed to know just when to back off and stop. She didn't use her fingers in me or anything - she didn't need to by the end I felt like I was going to explode - and a moment later she let me do just that. It felt so good as she let me thrust into her hand and mouth as much as I needed to till I was limp and then she did what I love the best - her thumb from way down below my balls all the way to the tip.

I'll just say that for as wonderful as that was, sharing an intensely passionate (and I do mean passionate - tongues and all) and my cum with her just after she pulled off of me was really something special. I think maybe even more intense than the blow-job in some ways. She said several times last night and this morning that she hoped "that would help" and I'll just also share that last night before she took over, one of the things she asked was for me to tell her how many times I masturbate while she's away.
 
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  • #530
Steve,
On the one hand I would just say, man up. You knew this was coming and didn't speak up against it, indeed you encouraged Sue to go. See, easy. Not.

On the other, you know this is probably the peak of a long process. An event that you simply have to get through because the end of that process is on the other side. That the simple joy of knowing your Mistress will be having the sexual time of her life (or hopes she will) is not enough probably should tell you that deep down you are not really beta, but merely dabbling seriously with it. As such I do believe you can tone it down in the coming months, and be rewarded by Sue toning down her denial regime. I don't think you ever need to be Alpha, but simply move towards equality and meet her there. Sue has said she wants that other side of this current peak to take months or longer. I'm sure she wants both of you to be sure about progress and direction. As ever, Paul will remain happy with all he gets or move on.

But for now, try to be happy in the strength of your beliefs. You now know you had get to here in order that you could both get safely to where you are going. Just remember to be sensitive to Sue when she gets back. What might be a low point for you is a high for her. You can see that brighter future some way off. Sue's view might be clouded by what she is giving up when she can't yet see the permanent benefit. Go carefully, and talk much.
 
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  • #531
Peak - your thoughts are appreciated and always give me a contrasting viewpoint. Your statement and others about the permanence of my being beta is perhaps something that is more of a range rather than a yes or no.

Sue and I had some honest conversations over the past few days after our sort of unexpected fun. A lot of our talk focused on what we each want. She has her desires, however convoluted they are, to change herself and how she feels about sex. And as others here have said, this change on her side is (likely) permanent and I accept that. The thing is, I want that too. It wasn't easy (but also not difficult) to tell her some of this. She too has said that she feels like she is coming to the point (perhaps her end point) where she wants another man physically and doesn't feel she will ever not. I have long told her, even before going into beta and denial with her, that her being intimate with other men is intensely arousing - so to me, some of this feels like it is moving towards her acceptance of this. She hasn't said it but playing back-seat psychologist it sort of makes sense to me.

I told her how surprised I was at what she'd let/encouraged me to do. She said that it felt good to her and however she described it, she told me that she felt good about wanting it with me and that she enjoyed feeling me get aroused. I asked her if she was okay that I'd cum in her and she said yes, but it was quieter and I asked her what she'd meant. It did not negate anything with her, she made that clear but she also said that despite wanting it with me at the time, that she had wanted to wait and had wanted me to wait longer and yes, to want it more with her. I laughed and said almost 6 months of desire was a lot and she giggled and she said she had wanted it to go for longer and she admitted that she liked how it felt between us. Again she repeated how she liked that she could be herself - sexy or whatever and that she knew that I would enjoy seeing her but not make her feel like a sex object and not paw after her. I told her that I felt the same way. That I loved seeing her and knowing that I wouldn't have her.

What I wanted to say though was that think beta is a range and that for me, it just feels right to be there. As if it's perhaps the peace and enjoyment that I've wanted to feel. We both accept that it turns me on and satisfies me for her to be intimate with Paul - sharing her sexually (or giving her to him) just feels right to me. Is it coincidence that it's what she wants right now too, I don't know - maybe it's a sign that we really are meant to be together. Whatever it is, for me, feeling beta means wanting her to have that satisfaction with him and honestly, I don't think I'll ever lose that feeling or desire or need. Seeing her naked is just a part of that, knowing where she'll be later tonight and for the next few days is another part. Whether it's beta or denial, however you term/view it, I get the same deep seated feelings. When you refer to easing up on being beta, that will largely be at her cue as I will surely be there for her when and if she wants me. In the meanwhile, as others have said, I'm going to need some hand-cream soon.
 
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  • #532
Steve,
Sometimes, the more you explain the more confused I get. Let me recap. For years you and Sue had a relationship where Sue had a lover but she had you too. For most of that you were equal and shared her greatest sex ie bareback. You seemed happy during this period albeit we know clueless also. Sue's only regret seems to be not that she had sex with you but that sometimes it's timing and style was not to her liking. Something easily fixed.

We now have you enjoying being beta and being denied plus at the same time Sue enjoying devoting all her sex to one man and denying you. This two states, while convenient are not actually linked. In other words it is perfectly possible for you to be beta whilst still enjoying full penetrative and bareback sex with Sue. Obviously on her terms and timetable.

So two questions.

One. Irrespective of Sue's wishes, would you like to resume in the future a full bareback sex life with Sue on her terms and timetable?

Two. Do you believe, irrespective of your wishes that Sue wants to do the same. Again on her terms and timetable?
 
  • #533
Peak - it really is up to her and I am happy to participate. How often/frequently becomes a question only she can answer. However, she has teased me many times as well as told me at others that it is surely an "if" and not a "when" that I will have her bare again. I can anticipate some point in the future where she will want that from me and I'll be happy to provide it. Where I think we are agreeing is that Sue is most definitely going to continue denying me - at least for the near future until she decides she is ready to resume intercourse - and then, I expect it to be infrequent at most especially at the beginning.

I have no illusions about returning to how we were. I understand that is a point we passed long ago. And as I've said, I don't feel a need to return there - I do accept and even enjoy that she will likely always have a lover who she will be intimate with. At the same time I do still feel - as you are expressing - that should I feel a need or desire - or should she want it - that our sexual intimacy and frequency will possibly increase. But as many have said here - if she only has x amount of time/energy for sex and some of x goes to Paul for now or someone else - then I know I will have less than x. For now - that knowledge turns me on.
 
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  • #534
Steve - Sounds like you are in a very good place with how you are feeling, you know what you like, what you desire, and essentially what you feel that you need individually as well as being a couple.
 
  • #535
Squirm - I suppose. We texted earlier this afternoon, she's now on the flight down there with him. I've never had as many "I love u's" and "thank u's" in texts or emails from her as today.

I'd put it out of my head for a while today but now the conversations we had (and her teasing yesterday) about what she'll be doing there with him are in my head again. She told me several times that she hopes to "find out just how much he can cum" which made me shiver with the thought. She also told me how she very much wants the feelings she had last time with the other wives and girlfriends when he is out playing golf - feeling like the hottie and all of them knowing (or assuming) what they've been doing.

Between that and her telling me that she wants "all of my holes used" and her teasing about wanting to "feel him in me everywhere" even after her blow-job last night I'm hard right now. And yet I know that this is just the beginning.
 
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  • #536
Seems like Sue msy want to compare how many times Paul can cum versus you. Of course he has the advantage of yourh and an assistant! Enjoy the weekend.
 
  • #537
SoonToBe said:
Again she repeated how she liked that she could be herself - sexy or whatever and that she knew that I would enjoy seeing her but not make her feel like a sex object and not paw after her. I told her that I felt the same way. That I loved seeing her and knowing that I wouldn't have her.

Just my opinion, but based on what you've posted, the fact she feels like she used to be "masturbated into" was actually quite a complex, difficult bunch of emotions for her. There was probably a sense of objectification that no one seeking an intimate relationship wants. Evidence for this is her calling PIV sex a form of masturbation. I think the lover helps her discover her sexual identity.

I think she has much more of her own sexual identity based on Father's day, but it's a little unclear what her future sexual identity is and she's using the trip to maybe feel her way around to figure it out some more. She sounds like she is aware of the difficulty for you and is very grateful to you. The sexual identity seems secondary to "primary" marriage. That seems like an ideal situation you should work to maintain.

As she has developed her identity, you need to work on connecting with your sexy, wonderful partner. I think Father's day was a great start. Your partner showed you her new self in a very intimate way. There's an "alpha" in you, for sure. My wild guess is, part of your "beta" tendencies is an identity issue of your own, and probably some ancient unresolved emotional history. It easily explains some of the internal conflict after Father's day. So, you need to develop some awareness of what of your actions diminishes intimacy with your partner.

I am a longtime reader of this thread. Thank you for posting so much detail, consistency, and honesty. The trust and communication you describe is very rare. You two are an amazing couple. Try to keep up with your empowered wife...
 
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  • #538
Steve,
Is Sue sending her usual code of sex scores to you? If so perhaps you should send her your own score of jerk offs in return. I'm sure she would be reassured that it still excites you, and it might even inspire her to greater heights!
 
  • #539
Peak - we talked last night for a bit while Paul was off doing something else. She told me the flights and rental-car was fine and that Paul has been "really nice" and that you "have nothing to worry about". I told her I "assumed you've already been busy" and she giggled and made no secret about "first thing we did when we got to the room....". But no, thus far she hasn't sent me any "scores". His golf stuff starts tomorrow so I may hear from her. Apparently she said it's going to be quite warm - in the 90's - so she said she'll be coming home with a suntan.

Needless to say, I didn't sleep well last night. I was both horny and anxious about the empty bed next to me. Jerking off only slightly relieved things so 1/2 an ambien helped.
 
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  • #540
SoonToBe said:
Peak - we talked last night for a bit while Paul was off doing something else. She told me the flights and rental-car was fine and that Paul has been "really nice" and that you "have nothing to worry about". I told her I "assumed you've already been busy" and she giggled and made no secret about "first thing we did when we got to the room....". But no, thus far she hasn't sent me any "scores". His golf stuff starts tomorrow so I may hear from her. Apparently she said it's going to be quite warm - in the 90's - so she said she'll be coming home with a suntan.

Needless to say, I didn't sleep well last night. I was both horny and anxious about the empty bed next to me. Jerking off only slightly relieved things so 1/2 an ambien helped.
I don't know how you do it, lol...
im fascinated by this thread and your story and eager / aroused for updates, in a voyeuristic way and I don't even know any of you lol.
I cant imagine what it would be like to be in your shoes and the complex range of emotions you must feel.
 
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