Final Debate

[blkoralslaveboy]

I would say it was pretty even, maybe even in Mccain's favor 55:45 only in so far as his willingness to attack all out and NOT on the issues. Obama as usual was for the most part very eloquent and did a good job explaining himself instead of just throwing insults like mccain. Perhaps the only thing Obama did not answer well was the vouchers in the D.C. school systems... and dems are always afraid to attack that issue--i'm not afraid to attack that issue at all.

but if you ask me mccain's constant twitching, blinking, shaking, wide eyed reactions, and other such bizaar mannerisms were MUCH weirder than usual. i don't know if that is indicative of anything... i'm actually really worried about that.

 

[bobbimcgee]

McCain

McCain won. No doubt.

 

[sexycouple2011]

McCain won. No doubt.

Actually, all the polls are showing that Obama won, if only marginally.

Obama's tactic was to not engage at all, even on issues in which he clearly could have bested McCain's opinion. The reason? Tactically it might have been satisfying to whip McCain's ass on each individual issue, but strategically it wouldn't make sense. Obama was like a boxer ahead in the points just ducking and dodging and trying not to make a mistake so he could walk out with a victory. This is Obama's race to lose. McCain had to have a miracle tonight. He didn't get it.

Racial "polling effects" or not, this race is over. Even fraudulent computer programs in Florida aren't going to save the rebubs this time.

 

[sexycouple2011]

I would say it was pretty even, maybe even in Mccain's favor 55:45 only in so far as his willingness to attack all out and NOT on the issues. Obama as usual was for the most part very eloquent and did a good job explaining himself instead of just throwing insults like mccain. Perhaps the only thing Obama did not answer well was the vouchers in the D.C. school systems... and dems are always afraid to attack that issue--i'm not afraid to attack that issue at all.

but if you ask me mccain's constant twitching, blinking, shaking, wide eyed reactions, and other such bizaar mannerisms were MUCH weirder than usual. i don't know if that is indicative of anything... i'm actually really worried about that.

The twitching stuff is just indicative of him being at the end of his rope. He is absolutely beside himself, pissed off, ready to blow. And, frankly, I don't blame him. I actually feel sorry for the guy. This is not the John McCain of 2000. That John McCain was able to run in the primary essentially as an independent who wasn't controlled by the far right influence in the Republican party. McCain represents "Goldwater Republicans" who sadly have had their influence reduced within the party to a mere side-show while bible-thumping psychos run things. His nomination in 2000 was stolent from him. And he has been seething about it ever since.

Imagine all of the things swirling in his mind tonight as he was sitting across from Obama. You know he was thinking, "WHY THE FUCK DID I LET STEVE SCHMIDT RUN MY FUCKING CAMPAIGN? THE SAME NUT-JOB FAR-RIGHT COCK-SUCKERS WHO FUCKED ME OVER IN 2000 ARE NOW FUCKING ME OVER IN 2008!"

The bottom line is that Schmidt (Karl Rove's ass-hat right hand man and protege') has used the Karl Rove slime-ball playbook to a "T" since he took over day to day operations in July. The problem is that this time the electorate isn't buying it and the economy makes the far-right, evangelical Republican platform inherently incompatible with what the people need to hear at a time of economic crisis. Middle America doesn't want to hear about abortion or Ayers or Wright or other wedge issues right now. Middle American really doesn't even want to hear about Iraq. Right now the economy is really the only issue people care about. And in the end, that just isn't an issue that the extreme right can speak to simply because the economic policies the far right are built on are not inherently about middle America. Despite all the rhetoric about "taxes" and "individual responsibility", this is not something that is comforting to Americans who need help. The system is crumbling. Cutting taxes to the wealthy and large corporations is not a solution that passes the straight face test.

In essence, McCain would have liked to have run this campaign differently. He would not have picked Palin. That was Schmidt's choice. He would have preferred the Bush administration not leave him with a nearly unwinnable situation in Iraq and an even more unwinnable situation at home. He would have truly talked straight to the people.

Instead what we've seen has been a mess of a campaign that will likely be studied in the future in Poli-Sci classes as a prime example of how NOT to run a campaign. It's been a jumbled, embarrassing, denigrating mess.

All of that was going through McCain's head tonight. The sad thing is, he is a man of integrity who deserved better back in 2000 and deserves better now. But his platform and the people he has to cow-tow to in order to keep the nomination in a Republican party that only vaguely remembers the party my parents used to be proud of a generation ago didn't let him run the campaign he wishes he could have.

The twitching was a direct result of McCain realizing this race is all but over and feeling like he really didn't get to fight the fight he wanted to all along.

 

[blkoralslaveboy]

Very well written sexycouple! i certainly don't want 'Dr. Strangelove' being sworn in as our new pres.
And aside from politics, shame on mccain for going with Rove! the same guy that called his adopted daughter illegitimate and humiliated her during the 2000 elections on behalf of bush. i don't know how many of you would give a job to a guy that publicly calls your daughter a bastard!
in the end it's fair to say both parties are corrupted, but my theory, friends, is that a party by is statistically very likely to be corrupt over time. even socialism and libertarianism can become corrupt! soo, i'm for absolute democracy. but in the meantime i vote democrat because i at least like most of what they have to say.
b

The twitching stuff is just indicative of him being at the end of his rope. He is absolutely beside himself, pissed off, ready to blow. And, frankly, I don't blame him. I actually feel sorry for the guy. This is not the John McCain of 2000. That John McCain was able to run in the primary essentially as an independent who wasn't controlled by the far right influence in the Republican party. McCain represents "Goldwater Republicans" who sadly have had their influence reduced within the party to a mere side-show while bible-thumping psychos run things. His nomination in 2000 was stolent from him. And he has been seething about it ever since.

Imagine all of the things swirling in his mind tonight as he was sitting across from Obama. You know he was thinking, "WHY THE FUCK DID I LET STEVE SCHMIDT RUN MY FUCKING CAMPAIGN? THE SAME NUT-JOB FAR-RIGHT COCK-SUCKERS WHO FUCKED ME OVER IN 2000 ARE NOW FUCKING ME OVER IN 2008!"

The bottom line is that Schmidt (Karl Rove's ass-hat right hand man and protege') has used the Karl Rove slime-ball playbook to a "T" since he took over day to day operations in July. The problem is that this time the electorate isn't buying it and the economy makes the far-right, evangelical Republican platform inherently incompatible with what the people need to hear at a time of economic crisis. Middle America doesn't want to hear about abortion or Ayers or Wright or other wedge issues right now. Middle American really doesn't even want to hear about Iraq. Right now the economy is really the only issue people care about. And in the end, that just isn't an issue that the extreme right can speak to simply because the economic policies the far right are built on are not inherently about middle America. Despite all the rhetoric about "taxes" and "individual responsibility", this is not something that is comforting to Americans who need help. The system is crumbling. Cutting taxes to the wealthy and large corporations is not a solution that passes the straight face test.

In essence, McCain would have liked to have run this campaign differently. He would not have picked Palin. That was Schmidt's choice. He would have preferred the Bush administration not leave him with a nearly unwinnable situation in Iraq and an even more unwinnable situation at home. He would have truly talked straight to the people.

Instead what we've seen has been a mess of a campaign that will likely be studied in the future in Poli-Sci classes as a prime example of how NOT to run a campaign. It's been a jumbled, embarrassing, denigrating mess.

All of that was going through McCain's head tonight. The sad thing is, he is a man of integrity who deserved better back in 2000 and deserves better now. But his platform and the people he has to cow-tow to in order to keep the nomination in a Republican party that only vaguely remembers the party my parents used to be proud of a generation ago didn't let him run the campaign he wishes he could have.

The twitching was a direct result of McCain realizing this race is all but over and feeling like he really didn't get to fight the fight he wanted to all along.

 

[LoveMILFS]

sexycouple is correct on both counts. And CNN is giving much higher poll numbers now among non-committed voters to Obama. If you thought the reduds were dirty before, just wait till these last 19 days...we'll hear it all from every right wing nut out there.

 

[wmntx4wf4bm]

The twitching stuff is just indicative of him being at the end of his rope. He is absolutely beside himself, pissed off, ready to blow. And, frankly, I don't blame him. I actually feel sorry for the guy. This is not the John McCain of 2000. That John McCain was able to run in the primary essentially as an independent who wasn't controlled by the far right influence in the Republican party. McCain represents "Goldwater Republicans" who sadly have had their influence reduced within the party to a mere side-show while bible-thumping psychos run things. His nomination in 2000 was stolent from him. And he has been seething about it ever since.

Imagine all of the things swirling in his mind tonight as he was sitting across from Obama. You know he was thinking, "WHY THE FUCK DID I LET STEVE SCHMIDT RUN MY FUCKING CAMPAIGN? THE SAME NUT-JOB FAR-RIGHT COCK-SUCKERS WHO FUCKED ME OVER IN 2000 ARE NOW FUCKING ME OVER IN 2008!"

The bottom line is that Schmidt (Karl Rove's ass-hat right hand man and protege') has used the Karl Rove slime-ball playbook to a "T" since he took over day to day operations in July. The problem is that this time the electorate isn't buying it and the economy makes the far-right, evangelical Republican platform inherently incompatible with what the people need to hear at a time of economic crisis. Middle America doesn't want to hear about abortion or Ayers or Wright or other wedge issues right now. Middle American really doesn't even want to hear about Iraq. Right now the economy is really the only issue people care about. And in the end, that just isn't an issue that the extreme right can speak to simply because the economic policies the far right are built on are not inherently about middle America. Despite all the rhetoric about "taxes" and "individual responsibility", this is not something that is comforting to Americans who need help. The system is crumbling. Cutting taxes to the wealthy and large corporations is not a solution that passes the straight face test.

In essence, McCain would have liked to have run this campaign differently. He would not have picked Palin. That was Schmidt's choice. He would have preferred the Bush administration not leave him with a nearly unwinnable situation in Iraq and an even more unwinnable situation at home. He would have truly talked straight to the people.

Instead what we've seen has been a mess of a campaign that will likely be studied in the future in Poli-Sci classes as a prime example of how NOT to run a campaign. It's been a jumbled, embarrassing, denigrating mess.

All of that was going through McCain's head tonight. The sad thing is, he is a man of integrity who deserved better back in 2000 and deserves better now. But his platform and the people he has to cow-tow to in order to keep the nomination in a Republican party that only vaguely remembers the party my parents used to be proud of a generation ago didn't let him run the campaign he wishes he could have.

The twitching was a direct result of McCain realizing this race is all but over and feeling like he really didn't get to fight the fight he wanted to all along.

I think you covered it very well. As James Carville said, "it's the economy stupid."

 

[5inchweenie]

McCain

had you actually paid attention Obama ducked the questions of tax and how he was going to pay for his communist programs. however, obama was dumb enough to admit 'wealth sharing". this guy is a fraud and america needs to smell the roses and keep their money ! james cavell wasnt the one that said it is the economy stupid.. one note on the dow jones since 1999 the dow has climbed upward and even now at a low point it is still higer then when clinton was in office. barney frank, and his committe pressed for fannie mae and freedy mac "not to be reeled in" that is the root of the forclosure problem. the worl slow down does not have single thing to do with george bush or his economic ideas in any way. the basic moron thinks that becuase americans like to blame things now rather then work. as far as mcCin and is campaign obama was not and is not correct saying mCain has run a 100% negative campaign. the facts speak for themselves obama has jumped on the howard dean hate wagon that has spread across the nation. but in all most americans do not subscribe to the me me me selfish hat that is going on.

 

[RoSquirts]

At the risk of being contrary, I personally thought McCain bested Obama last night. They were both full of shit about many things but I thought McCain pushed the right buttons for the general public in most cases.

As for the polls, I don't think instant post debate polls mean a lot and will wait to see what happens over the next week regarding polling.

 

[whitesubhubby]

yes mccain won the debate, who cares about polls. Only the votes count. I think obama is a great speaker, but then again he is a lawyer. I just don't trust him for some reason.
im agreeing with ro, dang i must really be a politician. LOL


just my 2 cents

 

[sexycouple2011]

At the risk of being contrary, I personally thought McCain bested Obama last night. They were both full of shit about many things but I thought McCain pushed the right buttons for the general public in most cases.

As for the polls, I don't think instant post debate polls mean a lot and will wait to see what happens over the next week regarding polling.

Contrary makes it more fun. ;-)

The first 30 minutes McCain was much more aggressive and was in attack mode. It's up to personal opinion whether or not that constitutes him "winning" that portion of the debate. I'd say it depends on what you interpret as "winning". In this situation, Obama simply had no motivation to really go out on a limb or engage him in any bickering. McCain was trying to bait him all night. It didn't work. In a sense, that's a win for Obama. But, I can see how you could interpret this portion of the debate as a win for McCain if you hoped to see more fireworks.

The second half of the debate for McCain devolved into a lot of smirking, eye-rolling, and basically reverting to the "angry old man" yelling at the kids to get off his lawn again. This didn't go off so well with voters.

Opinion polls today show across the board (yes, even fox) that Obama won this debate handily, by huge margins. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CBS polls all show Obama the winner by at least 20%, with polls showing Obama in the 51% range and McCain in the 30% range. The CBS poll showed a massive margin for Obama hovering at 70% and McCain in the low 20s. The Politico.com poll was the only one that was close showing that 43% think McCain "won" and 49% think Obama won.

In other words, this was an across the board blow-out in terms of public opinion.

Remember, most people who vote in these types of polls don't dissect the individual issues or look at every little thing that was said. Most people look at the general demeanor and likability of the candidates. The likability scale ratings aren't even close with Obama blowing the doors off of McCain, which is probably the single biggest indicator why Obama keeps "winning" these debates.

With that said, even on substance McCain didn't really outright win this debate. True, it was much closer in this debate than others simply because McCain actually talked about something real a couple times...but it was closer mostly because Obama chose not to engage.

 

[muleman]

I can sum this up with Ro they were both full of shit glad it is the last debate why in the hell cant these parties find a good person to run for office but then who with a smart mind would want to get tossed through the shit pile and run

 

[RoSquirts]

Actually, sexycouple, I tried to assess the debate as I thought the GP would react.
Based on the polls ,so far, I was wrong again,lol.

Although their appearances at the dinner lsat night might change that. I thought McCain was by far funnier and more relaxed

 

[wmntx4wf4bm]

I think points should be deducted from Mccain for his use of the prop Joe the plumber. If that wasn't a plant, it was just bad luck for Mccain. The guy is a registered republican who appears to have an agenda, which isn't wrong unless he tries to make it sound like he doesnt't, which he did. He makes $40K a year which means he would have lower taxes under Obama's plan. It also means he's not likely to buy any business that sells for $280K. Even if he did make $280K, the extra tax he would pay would only be on the $30K over $250K, which would not be an amount that would keep him from buying a business as he suggested.
The net result for Mccain is another negative when he needed huge positives.

 

[blkoralslaveboy]

:clap: here here

I can sum this up with Ro they were both full of shit glad it is the last debate why in the hell cant these parties find a good person to run for office but then who with a smart mind would want to get tossed through the shit pile and run

 

[blkoralslaveboy]

Actually, sexycouple, I tried to assess the debate

Although their appearances at the dinner lsat night might change that. I thought McCain was by far funnier and more relaxed

well, like everything else i can't argue with the who was funnier portion because it's opinion... but i think mccain said some nice things and that was good. i think mccain naturally looks odd when he's trying to do a fake laugh at times, it looks too fake lol. but other than that it was fun to see them both a lil relaxed finally.
b

 

[glo/ho/grl]

politicians of both parties are full of shit and as I have said before the one with the most money & best bullshit will win

 

[blkoralslaveboy]

politicians of both parties are full of shit and as I have said before the one with the most money & best bullshit will win

HARAMBE...... lets hope you're right in this case...

 

[SomeLikeItHot]

McCain just seems to be a creepy old man, Obama is suave and sophisticated, totally like a president.

 

[handigrl]

had you actually paid attention Obama ducked the questions of tax and how he was going to pay for his communist programs. however, obama was dumb enough to admit 'wealth sharing". this guy is a fraud and america needs to smell the roses and keep their money ! james cavell wasnt the one that said it is the economy stupid.. one note on the dow jones since 1999 the dow has climbed upward and even now at a low point it is still higer then when clinton was in office. barney frank, and his committe pressed for fannie mae and freedy mac "not to be reeled in" that is the root of the forclosure problem. the worl slow down does not have single thing to do with george bush or his economic ideas in any way. the basic moron thinks that becuase americans like to blame things now rather then work. as far as mcCin and is campaign obama was not and is not correct saying mCain has run a 100% negative campaign. the facts speak for themselves obama has jumped on the howard dean hate wagon that has spread across the nation. but in all most americans do not subscribe to the me me me selfish hat that is going on.

ROFL on this one