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Wannabecuck69

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I am a married 40 year old man with 2 small children and a 37 year old wife.
I have no experience of this lifestyle however I have been turned on by wifesharing and cuckold stories and porn for LONGER than I have been in a relationship with my wife, wich is now 12 years. My wife doesnt know of my interest and I have never been brave enough to admit my interest for her, I am a coward I know :p

As I wrote I have been having this as a fantasy for a looong time, its almost the only thing I do watch when surfing for porn.

My wife on the other hand are pretty "vanillia" sex oriented, she is not into girls, she are only attracted to men, and me specially. Until now I have never had reason to question her, and that is also why I havent dared to tell her of my fantasies, I know how she would react, she would think that I am crazy and she wouldnt be interested.

I admit that I am somewhat of a coward in our relationship, not on everything and she wouldnt agree but in my opinion I am, she makes most of the decisions at home and are kind of bossy. Thats maybe why she is a manager at her work.

Our sexlife is dull in my opinion, we only have sex about two times a month, the children, work and all other things taker their toll. When we have sex its the normal kind of sex, we have practicly been having same kind of sex since we meet, no evolution here.. :(

She only wants to have sex in our bed, no other place. A typical lovemaking session looks like this :We kiss, I go down on her for a while, she sucks me a little (never swallow) She hates being in 69??? Then she wants to get fucked, 6 times out of 10 its the missionary, 4 times she rides me or I take her from behind, no other positions. If I try something else she doesnt like it and wants to be taken in missionary.

She doesnt like to shave her pussy and made a point in telling me that she does it only because of me, she never shaves completely because "she doesnt want to look like our daughter down there" she says with an accusing tone when I suggests that she shave it all of.
A strange thing is that when I first meet her, she did shave her ass, she havent done that in 10 years and when I bring it up she lies straight to my eyes and says that she never shaved there, once she did however said that she did it because I wanted it, wich is a lie, I have never asked her to shave her ass.

Nevermind this is only a little background info. She doesnt wear thongs, because they are "uncomfortable" and I am basicly a pervert for suggesting that she does wear them.

Sorry for the long rant and it will be longer, but that is the background about us. Now to this:

The last month she has been shaving all her hair down there, not the ass unfortunately, When I asked her why she said that she was embarressed while showering at the gym when she has the only one with a black bush. She does go to the gym once or twice a week but she is not showering there! She always showers at home, strange?? When I asked her she got mad and just said that she sometimes go straight to work after the gym, that has happended maybe once or twice. She said with a firm tone that wasnt a question that Would I rather prefer to have her grow it out again?

Another strange detail is that the last time we had sex wich was last sunday morning, she actually allowed me to lick her ass! I have always wanted it and she has never allowed it, end of discussion "its so dirty, I dont like it" was her only reply until that morning. I just did it and didnt discuss it afterwards since we were not alone, the children were at home with us.

What makes me wonder if I have an opening and should try to steer this into desired direction is that she was out last saturday evening..

She said that she was going to a girlfriends (just friend) birthday, wich she was, I know her girlfriend so I know that is true. Her girlfriend is 9 years younger than my wife, single with no children and likes to go out partying, something my wife never does, neither do I.

My wife said that she might go out with them after the party and I said fine, do that. She was driving so I know that she wasnt going to drink, wich she isnt really fond of anyway.

She came home at 3.30 that morning, and in about 10 in the morning when we woke up she said that she had been out with a guy that is a common friend! Ok I said surprised, what? She said that her girlfriend had a little to much to drink and didnt want to go out so she called this friend of ours since she knew that he was going out that evening (we are facebook friends all three so I know that was true) but the thing is that our friend had a crush on my wife before we meet, he has actually known my wife longer than I have, but she was never interested, she viewed him as immature and he was and still is IMO. He is 5 years younger than my wife.

She asked me if I was jelaous and I said no, but I was.
They had been around on a real tour of several bars and a dancing place, just the two of them! His friends that were with him didnt want to move on so they stayed at the first bar.. I have never really liked this friend of ours, he is a little bully that thinks he is someone but I dont dislike him enough to not being friend with him. He is now married and has a 3 year old daughter. They live in the same town as we do.

I didnt ask her anything more and everything was the usual between us, exept for one thing.. I got turned on when she told me this, we were still in our bed so I made an attempt at having sex with her and she was horny as hell!
She usually only likes sex in the evenings, never in the mornings. We fucked and she was wild, as I wrote she even let me lick her ass, wich she never allows otherwise. She rode me and we even had her vibrator in the game, something she never liked before but more and more have started to use in the last months.

Later that day I logged in on her facebook account (ok, I know I shouldnt have done that but we both have each others passwords...) and sees a message in her mailbox from the guy she was out with! I couldnt read it since it was new, she would have noticed so I didnt do that. But i did try check into her hotmail account and then she had chaged her password! Later that evening I checked into her hotmail again and then she had read the message so I also read it, it wasnt anything direct exept that he wrote that he did have a really nice evening and he wanted to go aout again with her. What was her reply??? She also had a nice time and wants to go out again, but to another club in particular and that time she wants to drink! Nothing more, nothing less, how should I interpret that??? She doesnt like to drink, that I know after 12 years with her. The day after i checked her account again and she had deleted their conversation in her message inbox! All other messeges were there, she never deletes anything but this one was deleted.

I checked her cellphone and there was only one call to this guy that eveneing, she called him at 8 pm that night!

I cant ask her and dont want to, but she said that they are only friends and she just went out with him.

I suspect and somewere inside me hope that they did something, I have accepted the fact that I would lik my wife to have an affair with this guy, but I dont know how to react or encourage it.
I belive that if I theoreticly just told my wife that I wanted it she would be suspicious that I were having an affair wich I dont and never go out with him again.

I know that openess and straight communication is good when starting a cuckold relationship but I dont think that would work here. I dont think my wife would respond positively.

I guess that IF my wife are having an affair and I cought her, she could MAYBE at that stage could come to term with the fact that it turns me on. But for now I dont dare say to her that.

I have tried to watch some porn with her with two males and a woman to introduce the idea in her brain and its ok, she gets a little turned on for a short wile and then the movie unfortunately always move on to DP or assfucking and she doesnt like that so we stop watching.

Sorry for the LOOOONG post and I need your advice
 
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Well, your wife may be a step or two ahead of you in the cuckolding business, as you may already be a cuckold husband.. Or she could just be trying to bring out some jelousy in you just to rekindle some spark in your marriage..

Do you have any Penthouse Letters magazines you could leave out for her to find? I found those stories to be great to read with a partner...Sounds like if this is what you really want her to do, that maybe you could help her along by letting her know how hot it makes you to think she is out with another man, and you know she deserves to be out having a great time and maybe even getting a good fucking, but to share this with you, so you both can enjoy... Good luck.


Johnny R.
 
johnnyreb said:
Well, your wife may be a step or two ahead of you in the cuckolding business, as you may already be a cuckold husband.. Or she could just be trying to bring out some jelousy in you just to rekindle some spark in your marriage..

Do you have any Penthouse Letters magazines you could leave out for her to find? I found those stories to be great to read with a partner...Sounds like if this is what you really want her to do, that maybe you could help her along by letting her know how hot it makes you to think she is out with another man, and you know she deserves to be out having a great time and maybe even getting a good fucking, but to share this with you, so you both can enjoy... Good luck.


Johnny R.



It could but I doubt it, I make it a point to try to tell her that I am not the jealous type, I guess my chanses that she will fuck another man increases if she knows that I am not going to be mad at her. She is actually more jealous on me.

Regarding the Penthouse letters, I might give it a try, she knows that I read Playboy occasionally but she has never showed any interest in that magazine either, maybe its because there are only naked girls there, I dont know.
 
I totally agree

MacNfries said:
Wannabecuck69, actually your rather long post has a lot of information. Lots of red flags and concerns, but really, after 2 kids and 12 years of marriage, there's nothing unusual here. What's happening to you, happens almost as often as politicians lie when they speak. I'll toss in my '2 cents' ...

The 2 of you are bored with each other, for sure. Routineness will do that to a marriage. Your sex life with each other has become predictable. For sure, if you want the marriage to stay together while those kids are at home, the 2 of you are going to have to make some adjustments. All the right ingredients are there for her to cheat on you, and you to get cuckolded. You've pretty much admitted you're a wimp, and she's brought in the alpha male she needs. The easiest thing would be to say ... well, if cuckolding is what you want, then cuckolding is what it appears you're going to get. But, I'm concerned here for a few reasons.

First, this is REAL cuckolding ... she's very probably going to cheat on you, and you may or may not know ... she's going to get her sexual gratifications elsewhere. With real cuckolding, YOU are not in control of oking that she fuck other guys ... SHE IS! This is NOT fantasy play ... it will break up your marriage.

Second, you're a relatively young family. You have 2 very young children that very much need a well bonded family to raise them properly. The 2 of you need to focus on "family" first and foremost right now. Everyone, but lawyers, gets stressed out when divorce comes to a family like yours. It would be best if the 2 of you could wait until those kids are grown and out of the house.

Third, you have an outside, 3rd party ... he's married with children as well ... competing for your wife's attention, and she's giving it to him. Is there sex involved yet? .... I'm going to bet there probably is, based on the fact that there's now a sudden change in her sex habits in bed with you. This happens with spouses right after having sex with someone else; very common with men who go out and have sex with another woman, then come home wanting more sex from the wife. The testosterones are UP ... It's a "high". What I'm concerned about here is not the sex, but that she'll move her emotions over to him, and there will be NO LOVE between the 2 of you, and she will eventually want separation from you. She may not do it intentionally, but it could very well happen. This is an Alpha male she's with, and psychologically I'm betting that's what she feels she needs right now.

Whatever the 2 of you do, you need to do it together. If she's fucking this guy, that's cool, but she needs to do that with YOU involved ... the 3 of you fucking together ... both my wife and I prefer MMF. This guy, with his family, has something at risk as well ... he has a family, so it might not hurt that the 3 of you spend some time together to remind each other of the risks each of you have ... and he has a risk in this as well.

I think its time the 2 of you take some time off "together" ... a mini vacation away from everyone, and do some kinky things ... maybe a nude beach experience, etc. Please continue ... good luck. Mac

I just wanted you to know Mac is not the only one who holds this opinion. You need to regain some control of this situation or YOU will lose. With children in your family you have NO choice. Get together on this. She either comes clean, allows you in her little circle of infidelity, or quits running around which doesn't seem likely or you and she are doomed. Cuckoldry is a two way street, you must do it together with full knowledge both directions. If you give her the upper hand you are fucked and not in the way you are hoping. You seem fearful of a confrontation. From everything you have said you are running behind. Confrontation does not have to be mean spirited, you can be the understanding husband but at this point you must initiate clearing the air. You also need to be prepared she may have already dumped you in her mind. Shes changing passwords, getting ready for secret liaisons, coming home at 3:30 a.m. jesus fucking christ man, to you need a fucking western union telegram. My advice, begin separating everything as if you are planning for a divorce. Checking accounts, IRA's, Insurance, all that shit. Even start looking around for an apt. You might even consider hiring a detective to get the goods on her if it comes to that. My point is, YOU need to take some control. You need not throw your preparations in her face, just be prepared if she doesn't want to play YOUR game. Hiding your head in the sand will change nothing. YOU MUST open lines of communication. The sooner the better.
 
MacNfries said:
Wannabecuck69, actually your rather long post has a lot of information. Lots of red flags and concerns, but really, after 2 kids and 12 years of marriage, there's nothing unusual here. What's happening to you, happens almost as often as politicians lie when they speak. I'll toss in my '2 cents' ...

The 2 of you are bored with each other, for sure. Routineness will do that to a marriage. Your sex life with each other has become predictable. For sure, if you want the marriage to stay together while those kids are at home, the 2 of you are going to have to make some adjustments. All the right ingredients are there for her to cheat on you, and you to get cuckolded. You've pretty much admitted you're a wimp, and she's brought in the alpha male she needs. The easiest thing would be to say ... well, if cuckolding is what you want, then cuckolding is what it appears you're going to get. But, I'm concerned here for a few reasons.

First, this is REAL cuckolding ... she's very probably going to cheat on you, and you may or may not know ... she's going to get her sexual gratifications elsewhere. With real cuckolding, YOU are not in control of oking that she fuck other guys ... SHE IS! This is NOT fantasy play ... it will break up your marriage.

Second, you're a relatively young family. You have 2 very young children that very much need a well bonded family to raise them properly. The 2 of you need to focus on "family" first and foremost right now. Everyone, but lawyers, gets stressed out when divorce comes to a family like yours. It would be best if the 2 of you could wait until those kids are grown and out of the house.

Third, you have an outside, 3rd party ... he's married with children as well ... competing for your wife's attention, and she's giving it to him. Is there sex involved yet? .... I'm going to bet there probably is, based on the fact that there's now a sudden change in her sex habits in bed with you. This happens with spouses right after having sex with someone else; very common with men who go out and have sex with another woman, then come home wanting more sex from the wife. The testosterones are UP ... It's a "high". What I'm concerned about here is not the sex, but that she'll move her emotions over to him, and there will be NO LOVE between the 2 of you, and she will eventually want separation from you. She may not do it intentionally, but it could very well happen. This is an Alpha male she's with, and psychologically I'm betting that's what she feels she needs right now.

Whatever the 2 of you do, you need to do it together. If she's fucking this guy, that's cool, but she needs to do that with YOU involved ... the 3 of you fucking together ... both my wife and I prefer MMF. This guy, with his family, has something at risk as well ... he has a family, so it might not hurt that the 3 of you spend some time together to remind each other of the risks each of you have ... and he has a risk in this as well.

I think its time the 2 of you take some time off "together" ... a mini vacation away from everyone, and do some kinky things ... maybe a nude beach experience, etc. Please continue ... good luck. Mac

Thanks MacNfries for your reply, but I think that you have missunderstod our relationship a little, maybe I made it sound as she is worse than she is and that we have a bad relationship.
Its not the case, we both love each other very much, we do have our arguments like most couples does, but we have NEVER had a serious argument, our arguments are more over everyday things. We both have the same values and are soul mates. That I am more kinky than she is she knows and she also knows that during our relationship I have always had a higher sexdrive. It is not something we have argued over, its just the way it is.
As normal couple we have ofcourse talked about marriage/divorce/will etc. And we both share the same view on those issues.

And to answer your question what advice I want?
I dont know, if I did I wouldnt have asked, but I would like advice on how to get her to have sex with this guy and afterwards let her know that I know, approve and gets turned on by it and that its ok for her to do so as long as she loves me. I know that she doesnt love that other guy.
 
Listen to Mac on this W.B. he is right! You have too much at risk to let this evolve any further without you being included. It's a "MARRIAGE" if not, you might as well say arrarviderchi to her right now my friend. A happy cuck is a well informed cuck. Besides, how are you going to get off on it if you can't enjoy those sloppy seconds TOGETHER! Just my lame ass opinion...:eek:
J.R.
 
MacNfries said:
I got ya now, but given the additional info you originally gave, I'd recommend she only be with guys, sexually, when you're with her. Wannabecuck, if she swings alone, given the information you've already given us, she's gonna become attached to an Alpha male eventually, which I don't think you are one. You can't expect her to simply go have sex with men BUT not get emotionally involved. None of us are really wired that way; when emotional attachment happens, it just happens. Based upon what you stated in your first post, I'm thinking she's already attached to an Alpha male ...whether they've had sex already is yet to be determined, but the way she's recently changed when making love to you, I'm betting they have already had sex.
You have children at home who need a mother & father; you are risking that arrangement when you allow/condone her to go out and see men by herself. My suggestion, other than abstaining totally from the activity, would be to involve other men or couples, together, in your lovemaking. Mac

First I want to thank you all that gives med advice and your views, sorry I dont have the time today to reply to all of you but I really appreciate everyones reply here. :)

You are probably right here Mac, and I wouldnt mind having a threesome with her and another guy.
Its not that I only get off on just the cuckold part, I might be equally attracted to the hotwife scenario.
I do admit that i feel a special rush and feeling in my body when I think about the two of them out alone. In my fantasies I get equally turned on by just listening to them having sex than being there watching or participating. If my wife just fucked him and later told me all details it would also be a huge turn on.

I am thinking as you suggested to to try to steer this into a threesome direction. We had sex yesterday evening and again I thought that she was a little wilder than usual, we didnt do anything unusual this time but this week we have had more sex than the whole last month!

I will suggest that we watch some porn tonight, I think that it could be a good wayto get her more interested in a MMF threesome. I have to screen it thoroughly first however as she is not into anal or DP and most threesomes in porn are a little to rought for her liking.

Another strange behaviour from her that I dont know if it related to my suspisions about her is that the last month she has started to smoke again. She gave up smoking 5 years ago when we got our first child. She knows I hate smoking and gave it up.
She has since said that she is so glad she quit the habit and would never start again.
This summer I have seen here more and more with a cigarette in hand and she said that since she doesn't drink she wants some other kind of reward. Ok this was in the summer, but now she smokes about a pack every day and defends it with that she has a lot of stress at work and that she will quit after Christmas??

Again, thanks for all replies, will try to see if I have the time to log on again tomorrow.
 
let nature take her course wannabe
and i'm sure you'll soon know the sublime erotic
vicarious pleasures of cuckdom :D
 
MacNfries said:
A change of habits is very much worth keeping a close watch on, my man. The last thing you want happening is for her to blindside you with the "I'm moving out ... I'm leaving you " and YOU NOT BEING PREPARED to handle it. She probably is stressing out, I'm sure, because her head is saying one thing, and her heart is saying another ... keep a close watch ... its almost definitely NOT from work.
It might not be bad to talk with a legal professional in what happens when young couples break up with children involved as it pays to be ahead of the curve ... food for thought! Mac

Thanks again Mac and also John Galt wich post pretty much said the same thing about be prepared and consult an attorney.

I dont think that there are any risk of that happening. We both loves each other very much and have two wonderful children.
Both me and my wife has the same view on divorce and the devastating effect it can have on children. No one of us wants to put our children through that.
Our everyday life is also to tangled for anyone of us to gain anything economicly from a divorce, for example all savings, bonds and stocks are common, our house and mortage is common, its worth a lot less than we gave for it so it cant be put on the market without a 30% loss. Since we dont have a prenup and my wife actually makes more money than I am she wouldnt gain anything from me in case of a divorce.

But the main reason I dont think that will happen is because we have a good time together :) We do things together without the children, true, we dont go to nudebeaches or kinky nightclubs but we still have some time together in our otherwise hectic lives.

Arent there any chance or havent anyone heard of a cuckold/hotwife relationship starting with infidelity?
That would be interesting for me to know since I belive that it could kickstart such a relationship between me and my wife.
 
duke9555 said:
let nature take her course wannabe
and i'm sure you'll soon know the sublime erotic
vicarious pleasures of cuckdom :D

I think I will, since she hasnt mentioned him or going out with him again in a week I suspect that I might have been overly suspicious.
Not that I dont want her to do something with this guy but maybe my wishes have clouded my thinkings.
 
Wannabecuck69,

Wannabe cuckold "Candaules" posted on 31 Aug. 2010 in the General Cuckoldry section of this forum, describing a situation vis-a-vis his wife somewhat similar to yours. He concluded with an analogous request for advice:

candaules said:
.... I am going to make sure my wife understands I am ok with her getting to enjoy the best of being in a loving and secure marriage while embracing nature. I am interested in hearing suggestions from others on how to communicate that the door is open while not pressuring her. Suggestions, perhaps, on how to help her become more comfortable with the idea [of making me her cuckold].

Then, he sent me a PM saying he'd appreciate it if I would comment. So, I did. See posts 9 and 10 of his thread, here:

http://www.cuckolds.com/forums/gene...st-post-here-after-reading-through-forum.html

Since then the forum has heard nothing further nor have I received any additional PMs from him. (Maybe my comments discouraged him or didn't appeal to him for some other reason.) In any case, I don’t like to say the same things twice, at least not after such a small time delay, so you might look at the above. You may find it applicable, at least in part, to your own situation.

—Custer
 
Custer Laststand said:
Wannabecuck69,

Wannabe cuckold "Candaules" posted on 31 Aug. 2010 in the General Cuckoldry section of this forum, describing a situation vis-a-vis his wife somewhat similar to yours. He concluded with an analogous request for advice:



Then, he sent me a PM saying he'd appreciate it if I would comment. So, I did. See posts 9 and 10 of his thread, here:

http://www.cuckolds.com/forums/gene...st-post-here-after-reading-through-forum.html

Since then the forum has heard nothing further nor have I received any additional PMs from him. (Maybe my comments discouraged him or didn't appeal to him for some other reason.) In any case, I don’t like to say the same things twice, at least not after such a small time delay, so you might look at the above. You may find it applicable, at least in part, to your own situation.

—Custer



Thanks Custer, I have now read the post you directed me to aswell as some of the links.
I have somethings in common with Candaules and I hope that he got what he desired :) Unfortunately in my case my wife isnt aware of my wishes, and I admit that I have a problem telling her.
I will try to plant the idea of a threesome in her brain, then she would understand that I dont mind her fucking other men.
I havent heard anything about the other guy since, we will se what happens.
 
Your wife has not fucked this guy as of yet...this I am 99.9% positive of based on your description of her and the situation.....but I would bet that if they get out together again that "something" will happen, as long as they are alone.

She has thought about it. She has replayed the night over and over again in her head and she wants to possibly experience an alternate ending. The fact that she wants to drink the next time they get together is 2-fold. It is sending him the message that she wants to be more playful and outgoing, and she knows that she needs that relaxed edge to allow herself to push this opportunity by weakening her inhibitions.

If you want this to progress, you need to be careful in what you say and do. Biggest mistake you could make in this situation is to do or say too much. Be sexy with her, but subtle.....she has her own mind going 10 different directions right now and what you say and do could set off a reg flag in a NY second.....remember this, the only reason she deleted that message is because of a fear that you could possibly read it. You say the wrong thing and she will go to high alert so quick your head will spin.

As for the other comments on the state of the marriage and divorce, I don't see how ANYONE could draw any kind of decisive conclusion on that front as of yet. I think that is such a huge leap to jump to that conclusion at this point in time.
 
Bring up your fantasies during sex and also ask her about hers...
Then work on using those fantasies during sex for the next few weeks.
Then start telling her that you want her to act out on those fantasies if she is ok with it.
Let her know it is ok for her to get lucky, as long as she tells you about it or lets you join in...
 
Go slow slow slow...

Bad thing about this relationship is that you married a woman who wanted only vanilla sex. Now you want a wild hot wife.
You married the woman you wanted to marry. Now you have to live with her and the vanilla sex if you want to stay married.
 

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