My Asian Wife Wants More

[nardpleeker]

KS,

I disagree with a lot of comments from others, especially George. That's not to say he's wrong and I'm right -- we all have our different preferences, and what matters are your preferences, not mine. I don't get into George's servitude thing, but if you, Min-Ju, and KA do, that's great.

Were it me, the most I could possibly ask for is (1) that the experience be mind-blowingly exciting for her (which means that KA has to feel that he's getting the best sex he ever has had), (2) that she fully share the experience, including her feelings before, during (to the extent possible) and after, and (3) that she indulge my sexual quirks to whatever extent she is able without interfering with point (2). Everything you've said indicates that this is the path you're on. The key is finding the sweet spot that is exciting to both you and Min-Ju, and it seems that you are remarkably compatible (but, surely, compromises will need to be made -- and you, being an incredibly lucky bastard, should be prepared to make most of them).

About "keeping jealousy under control", I think there are two different kinds of jealousy: sexual and romantic. I'm guessing that your desires are really driven by sexual jealousy, so, really, I hope that Min-Ju MAXIMIZES that, and that you don't discourage her from doing so. You may only do this once, so go for maximum intensity for both of you. You should savor every detail that you see and every aching second that you have to wait, caged, while they experience sexual pleasure that goes beyond anything physical pleasure you have had with Min-Ju.

In my experience, I found that I lacked imagination, so the more I could directly witness what was happening with my wife and the other man, the stronger the feelings. But I couldn't directly experience my wife's feelings, so I needed to have her tell me about those. It seems that Min-Ju understands you very well, and having her impose her will on you is more exciting to you than having her do what you ask her to do, so, to the extent that you can passively wait for her to make the decisions, it will be more exciting to you.

The excitement of volunteering to leave my own home for a hotel would be nothing compared with the sensory impact of seeing them together in private, exhibiting their sexual pairing, things that you're programmed to feel belong to you and her alone. And that pales by comparison to seeing them head off to the bedroom together, hearing them showering together, and perhaps hearing them making love, or seeing her naked or in something sexy for him, not you.
And directly witnessing how much sex they are having (if you can't witness the act itself). Having her focused on the other man would be a turn-on not because I had a masochistic desire to be ignored, but because it would be another sign of her overwhelming sexual desire for him.

Seeing your wife extremely aroused and excited by the prospected of sleeping with another man, seeing her communicate this non-verbally to him (naturally, not play acting for you), having him act as though he were entitled to this (and you're not), knowing that they have disappeared into the bedroom for hours at a time, etc. would be as humiliating as it can get, without "announcements", volunteering to leave the apartment, etc. The explicit play-acting seems a little fake, compared with the realities I've mentioned. Remove yourself from the picture if she wants you to, but I think volunteering to do so (beyond ensuring that she knows it's ok to do if she feels the need) may deprive you of some extreme pleasures of a unique experience.

Anyway, I don't want to impose my fantasies on you. If you *really* get into volunteering to move out for awhile, and it's more exciting to think about them possibly screwing at home while you're not there, compared with your *knowing* that they went to another room for that express purpose, more power to you. If KA happens to get a thrill from ordering you around or dominating you, that's great. Maybe Min-Ju has briefed him in this and they both have plans for you -- that would be great for everyone. But it's more likely that his main desire is to fuck Min-Ju's brains out and that he doesn't want to devote much mental energy to you -- it might be a turn-off for him. If you're lucky, he'll tolerate your being around if you stay out of the way and don't bug him and Min-Ju while they enjoy themselves. If you're a benign presence, maybe he'll even treat you as a friendly acquaintance.

Oh: About romantic jealousy. You really don't want to go there. That's when you feel that you're not a team. That she's interested in sex with someone else without your (indirect) participation, or, worse, that she's replacing you as a partner (not just as temporarily as a sex partner). I think that's more specific than whether she develops "feelings" for him -- are you partners in this activity or not? A serious risk is that you start to get paranoid about these things, even if you're wrong in fact (although such "paranoia" is often a reflection of truth that you have picked up subconsciously, even if your partner doesn't understand her own feelings). Both of you need to distinguish between sexual and romantic jealousy, and you have to understand what your trigger points are for the latter and make sure she does her best to avoid those.

Although I'm not sure how to avoid problems, I'm sure that complete honesty and sharing of feelings is critical. If you start to feel that she is not telling you the truth about her feelings or real events, watch out! It will drive you crazy, and it your distrust will quickly poison your relationship. You need to feel that her loyalty and commitment to you are as strong as ever (and, of course, she needs to feel the same). The exception is if you are feeling *temporary* doubts or angst, which can be incredibly strong. That's part of what you're seeking, and if you make her feel bad about it, it will drive her crazy.

This is really about mutual understanding, so sharing not only increases the excitement, but reduces the chances for misunderstanding her feelings and motivations.

This is a really hazardous activity for a relationship, and if my primary goal were to give you relationship advice, I'd say "Don't do it." But I strongly relate to your desires, as you can tell, and understand why it's irresistable to you and Min-Ju. But please take my advice as ways to maximize the excitement of the experience, not minimize the dangers.

By the way, is this visit less than week or more than a week?

Maybe you can find out about "birth control" by monitoring Min-Ju's pill usage. Maybe you don't need to discuss it with her until you are reviewing everything after he leaves. When does her cycle start?

 

[nardpleeker]

I forgot to say: the text about canceling the hotel reservation is super-hot. It's fair to assume that she has discussed this with him and that they've agreed that he'll stay at your place.

I like the commitment: He's going to be with her/you for the duration of his stay. Of course, he could always move to a hotel if things go wrong, but it still feels like the plan is for him to be there the whole time, and probably sleeping with her every night.

As a practical matter, he'll be jet-lagged and may be up at some odd times. Or maybe Min-Ju can make sure he's entertained if he finds himself awake at 3 AM.

It would be different if she were visiting him in his hotel. It wouldn't be clear that she was going to stay there the whole time.

I assume that you don't know what the plan is about where you will stay. I find it encouraging that she didn't text you to make a reservation for yourself! Maybe you should just leave that bit of planning until she tells you what you want to do. I hope you end up staying there. I think it would be best if you can't mentally avoid what they're doing, even for a minute, while he's there.

I'm unclear about how your place is set up. You mentioned sleeping on the couch. Does that mean there isn't a spare room?
If there is a guest room, there is some ambiguity about where he would sleep, I guess. If not, it's clear -- it would be unthinkable to cancel his reservation and then make him sleep on the couch!

 

[George]

A great thing about this site is the thread owner, KS in this instance, gets a variety of responses and suggestions which hopefully aid his decisions while negatives are held to a minimum and acceptance prevails. Nardpleeker's comments are in this spirit.

 

[koreanslut]

I have to chuckle a little at how eager some of you are already imagining everything that is going to happen. It helps give me insight into how Min-Ju feels when I do that to her. But I'm not complaining. Thanks for the posts. It's good to know this turns other people on as much as it does me. In fact, any lurkers out there want to join the conversation, please do!

Yesterday evening was pretty hot. When I got home I asked if Min-Ju was serious about her text, and she said "of course." She pulled out the reservation email and handed me her phone. It's pretty hot she made me do this myself, as a way of taking responsibility for what this would mean, and it's hot she had me cancel the reservation before she told him the change of plans. It was about to become a done deal. A fate accompli. The blood rushed in my head as I dialed the number... then an brief awkward conversation with the hotel operator... then anxiously waiting on hold for a moment. Min-Ju watched the whole time at the kitchen table, biting her lip. We were both smiling foolishly I think. The agent came on, and of course I stumbled over the request, over-explaining in detail he didn't need, and my tongue was so tied I botched reading out the reservation number and had to start over. But at the same time, the whole thing was oddly, or typically, businesslike and anti-climatic. In a moment the agent gave me the usual polite announcement that "my" reservation was cancelled and was there any more he could help me with? He assumed I was the reservation holder, so he called me "Mr. Korean Artist." I said no, thanked him, hung up. Looked up at my wife. We were committed.

We kissed wetly across the table. I could feel her breathing heavy. I'm sure I was, too. "Are you sure, baby?" she asked. I laughed nervously and said "We're committed now."

Next came telling him. Min-Ju can't text him internationally, and besides it was very early in the morning over there. So that meant email. She opened up her little laptop, the one I bought her for her last birthday, and got into her gmail. She let me watch; she knew I really wanted that. "What are you going to say?" I asked. She played coy and typed. In Korean! Often it is a turn on when she writes or speaks in Korean as a way to tease or frustrate me, but this time I was really frustrated. I wanted to see and control exactly what she said to him but couldn't. We teased each other a bit about outrageous ideas -- "I've kicked my husband out so I can be a slave to your cock" or "You should know my cuckold husband won't be home, I need you" -- but we both knew and already decided that nothing so overt felt right. She kept things simple, saying that "she would like him to stay in our apartment. As hosts we thought that would be more comfortable during his stay, and her husband didn't mind." That's her paraphrase anyway; I really wish I could read exactly what she wrote. In Korean it may come across a little more indirect, I'm not sure. I asked if he would understand, and she nodded. "I think so," she said. Anyway, she typed this out and looked up at me. We both felt a little frozen -- and both letting ourselves waiver on second thoughts. Blindly, we dove in. "Send it," I urged, feeling rash and enormously horny. "You sure, baby?" Her voice was high-pitched, breathy. "No," I allowed. "But do it. Send it." Her little manicured finger -- green polish -- reached out and *click*... the email was out.

I thought I would have the bigger reaction, but I think it was her. Min-Ju pushed me back down into the kitchen chair and climbed on top of me. Her mouth was wet and messy, and her nipples hard little pebbles between my fingers.

So yeah, there it is. We've committed. He will be staying in the apartment. It's just for the week though, sorry to disappoint. Reading your comments, Nardpleeker, you really got me torn about things. It would be so hot to be there, to hear her. It just also seems so awkward in ways it's hard for me, and harder for her, to imagine really doing. We've talked about it. She knows I would love to hear her little moans through the door, and she likes the idea of me being out their listening. She says it feels "pornstarish" though, like she would be expected to perform, and that makes her feel awkward and nervous. She's also compared it to "having sex at your parent's house," which I totally get. Or maybe it wouldn't feel that way at all if we actually did it. Argh. What we do know is she wants me to clear out for the first day or two. Yes, he'll have jetlag, and she wants time to get comfortable again with him and feel things out. Maybe we can find a way for me to "accidentally" spy on some of their activities that isn't intrusive and doesn't make her, or him, feel awkward.

We'll see. Tonight is a night for us to spend special time together as a couple before we really start to get things ready. Should be nice and low key.

 

[nardpleeker]

I have to chuckle a little at how eager some of you are already imagining everything that is going to happen. It helps give me insight into how Min-Ju feels when I do that to her. But I'm not complaining. Thanks for the posts. It's good to know this turns other people on as much as it does me. In fact, any lurkers out there want to join the conversation, please do!

I don't think it could turn me on as much as it does you! I'm normally a lurker, but you're threads have pulled me out of my shell. Many years ago, I had a couple of chances for scenarios like this, and I have fantasized about them ever since (I'm not going to get another chance, I'm afraid). So, when I stumbled across your vivid descriptions, they really made an impression on me. Having lived some of what you're going through, I think I understand your feelings, and what it feels like to be part of a couple who are daring each other to press into forbidden territory.

I hope more people will respond, but I'm afraid this might not be the most widely read forum. The web site is also not very stable. It would be a good idea to save all your old threads somewhere for backup (to emphasize that point, it went down while I was typing this and I was luckily able to rescue the long mesage from my buffer). They're truly classic.

Did my essay on sexual vs. romantic jealousy hit the mark? Is that something she understands about you?

Yesterday evening was pretty hot. When I got home I asked if Min-Ju was serious about her text, and she said "of course." She pulled out the reservation email and handed me her phone. It's pretty hot she made me do this myself, as a way of taking responsibility for what this would mean, and it's hot she had me cancel the reservation before she told him the change of plans. It was about to become a done deal. A fate accompli. The blood rushed in my head as I dialed the number... then an brief awkward conversation with the hotel operator... then anxiously waiting on hold for a moment. Min-Ju watched the whole time at the kitchen table, biting her lip. We were both smiling foolishly I think. The agent came on, and of course I stumbled over the request, over-explaining in detail he didn't need, and my tongue was so tied I botched reading out the reservation number and had to start over. But at the same time, the whole thing was oddly, or typically, businesslike and anti-climatic. In a moment the agent gave me the usual polite announcement that "my" reservation was cancelled and was there any more he could help me with? He assumed I was the reservation holder, so he called me "Mr. Korean Artist." I said no, thanked him, hung up. Looked up at my wife. We were committed.

Certain details just get me, like the "of course" when you asked her if she was serious.

The whole experience sounds like a serious mind-fuck. Expect many more over the next ten days.

The buildup may be the most exciting part of the experience. Savor it.

We kissed wetly across the table. I could feel her breathing heavy. I'm sure I was, too. "Are you sure, baby?" she asked. I laughed nervously and said "We're committed now."

Next came telling him. Min-Ju can't text him internationally, and besides it was very early in the morning over there. So that meant email. She opened up her little laptop, the one I bought her for her last birthday, and got into her gmail. She let me watch; she knew I really wanted that. "What are you going to say?" I asked. She played coy and typed. In Korean! Often it is a turn on when she writes or speaks in Korean as a way to tease or frustrate me, but this time I was really frustrated. I wanted to see and control exactly what she said to him but couldn't. We teased each other a bit about outrageous ideas -- "I've kicked my husband out so I can be a slave to your cock" or "You should know my cuckold husband won't be home, I need you" -- but we both knew and already decided that nothing so overt felt right. She kept things simple, saying that "she would like him to stay in our apartment. As hosts we thought that would be more comfortable during his stay, and her husband didn't mind." That's her paraphrase anyway; I really wish I could read exactly what she wrote. In Korean it may come across a little more indirect, I'm not sure. I asked if he would understand, and she nodded. "I think so," she said. Anyway, she typed this out and looked up at me. We both felt a little frozen -- and both letting ourselves waiver on second thoughts. Blindly, we dove in. "Send it," I urged, feeling rash and enormously horny. "You sure, baby?" Her voice was high-pitched, breathy. "No," I allowed. "But do it. Send it." Her little manicured finger -- green polish -- reached out and *click*... the email was out.

That moment when her finger was hovering over the key, and you both weren't *really* sure she was going to press it, was probably one of the best. And then, I bet there was a moment of feeling shocked when she actually did it, and the realization that what had been a fantasy a moment ago just became reality.

I think that message is perfect, much better than the blatant ones. I imagine that he doesn't "understand", because the message is perfect in its innocence and ambiguity. At the surface, it seems to say that you don't mind having a house guest, and it makes perfect sense that she would consult you and reassure him that everything is cool with you having a guest underfoot. But maybe it has a hidden meaning. He'll hope like hell that it means he'll get to sleep with her, and he'll be able to think of nothing else until he shows up.

One of the great mind-fucks (for him and hopefully for you) will be how she reveals her true intentions. How long can she keep him guessing, and how can she let him know he's going to get laid in a way that will really make an impression on everyone?

I thought I would have the bigger reaction, but I think it was her. Min-Ju pushed me back down into the kitchen chair and climbed on top of me. Her mouth was wet and messy, and her nipples hard little pebbles between my fingers.

Not surprising, since she is going to be the one having the orgasms and being inseminated! It must be great to know how excited this is making her.

So yeah, there it is. We've committed. He will be staying in the apartment. It's just for the week though, sorry to disappoint.

That's going to be one very intense week (five days?). More would probably be too much.

Reading your comments, Nardpleeker, you really got me torn about things. It would be so hot to be there, to hear her. It just also seems so awkward in ways it's hard for me, and harder for her, to imagine really doing. We've talked about it. She knows I would love to hear her little moans through the door, and she likes the idea of me being out their listening. She says it feels "pornstarish" though, like she would be expected to perform, and that makes her feel awkward and nervous. She's also compared it to "having sex at your parent's house," which I totally get. Or maybe it wouldn't feel that way at all if we actually did it. Argh. What we do know is she wants me to clear out for the first day or two. Yes, he'll have jetlag, and she wants time to get comfortable again with him and feel things out. Maybe we can find a way for me to "accidentally" spy on some of their activities that isn't intrusive and doesn't make her, or him, feel awkward.

I'm sure you've told her that, while you might like to stay, you definitely don't want her to inhibit her. You could tell her that no performance is necessary -- nothing could be better than being there, knowing that the two of them were totally focused on their pleasure, even if you couldn't hear. The hottest possible thing for you would be to know that whatever happens is what she is sincerely feeling because of what she's doing with him -- not histrionics.

Anyway, I don't think that you could make her not feel self-conscious simply by telling her not to be self-conscious. On the other hand, she "likes the idea of you out there listening," which gives hope (and shows that she's into the "partnership" aspect).

Actually, the best grounds for hope is the "day or two." That's actually pretty hot. When you return, the new reality of him and her will have been established, and you will have to adapt to it. They can just keep doing what they're doing, and you can think about what was going on for the last day or two while also experiencing the current reality. Maybe she can tell him you're leaving for a day or two, and not explain the rest of the plan. He's probably not going to *stop* sleeping with her when you return, if he doesn't have to.

If you have to leave, maybe the two of you can arrange to do it in a way that has maximum impact (on all of you, possibly including him). Maybe you can both pick him up at the airport, then, after you return and chat for a bit, she can politely ask you to leave. Or not. Maybe he'll want a shower, and she can join him and tell him that your on your way out of the house (but you should stay until she's soaping him up). Or maybe the language difference can be used to advantage. On the drive back, she can let him know the score while making it clear that you can't understand what they're saying. They can talk about what they're going to do, and you'll know that's what they're talking about, but you won't be able to understand it. If he doesn't understand English, she can ask you to leave and then explain to him what she said, and you can watch his reaction. The possibilities are endless.

Do you think she'll want to pretend initially that she's cheating on you? Or make sure he knows that you have agreed to the arrangement?

But then, you should try not to choreograph this too much. She seems to have a real talent for pushing your buttons, so maybe you should just see what happens. You've probably already talked through some scenarios, so maybe it doesn't need any more discussion.

We'll see. Tonight is a night for us to spend special time together as a couple before we really start to get things ready. Should be nice and low key.

I doubt that either of you will be able to think about much else, but I hope you'll enjoy being together, and maybe *not* discussing the elephant in the room.

By the way, she would be crazy to let you out of your cage before he leaves again. The point is not to humiliate or control you so much as to prevent you from cumming, and potentially experiencing that awful (and sensible) period of doubt where you realize what you're doing is crazy. Her strategy should be to get and keep you as horny as humanly possible until he leaves.

Is she going to discuss this with her friends in Korea?

 

[George]

It would not be wise for her to overtly out you with her Korean friend and cousin as that would overtly out herself in a society that would have more difficulty with her 'independent yet married woman' actions than our own,

 

[George]

We make comments and suggestions based on what we are and what we think KS and Min-Ju are. What do we think they are? Well, here's what I think they are. KS, you might find it amusing to see how wrong I am, and how incomplete my understanding is.

I think KS and Min-Ju are:
An intelligent, young, healthy, happy, playful, adventuresome, very loving couple who will be married for life who are exploring playful sex as part of actively growing their relationship and achieving self- and joint-realization. They realize they should play now before more responsibilities interfere.

Mostly considering her love and sex life, I think Min-Ju is a clever, talented woman with many potentials and curiosity about what life offers. She has many friends, and many cultural accomplishments, but does not see a clear career path. She loves her husband very much. She is bridging two cultures and that creates strains and life enhancements. She likes sex. She likes to play with sex. She will try almost anything so long as it is done for nice reasons, no evil or hurtful elements allowed. She has tried nice BDSM (bondage and spanking), exhibitionism, hotwifing, cuckolding, denial, humiliation, and her so ever popular mind fucks. Never mean.
She rejects her birth culture's view of women as satisfiers of males' superior needs. She wants her freedom of self expression. Playfulness, self expression, freedom, adventure, and rejection of childhood and Korean cultural constrains (yet in part acceding to them) contributed to her actively, impulsively screwing KS on their first date. Yet, being multifaceted, she enjoys male dominance when SHE invites it. Again, she likes to play and gives her play a lot of thought, so she also enjoys her being dominant when SHE can make it fun. Being deeply in love, she wants her dominance to be fun as well, or even more fun for her her husband, the only sub she will ever want; who dominates her in other realms. She likes the role reversal. Sex is one of the few realms where she wants a dominance component--she understands and playfully revels in the power of the pussy. She pushes sex boundaries farther than KS. Min-Ju has never refused a dare. She is more imaginative than he, I think because she puts into their games more mental energy than he. She enjoys them!

I think KS is deeply loving and attentive to Min-Ju's needs and development potential. He struggles with incorporating his needs and kinks into that rubric. Min-Ju first, but can I get some in a good way as well? Generally they find a yes. It's not clear to me that KS truly likes caging and denial, but he obviously likes what Min-Ju pleasures and joint pleasures they encourage. So overall caging and denial is good, especially when Min-Ju gives him extra attention because he is being cage denied. Is KS a true cuck? I don't know. But the play fun with Min-Ju developed by cucking is really fun. Is KS a true sexual submissive vis-a-vis Min-Ju? I don't know. But again the play and attention. Is KS a sexual submissive vis-a-vis a Min-Ju bull? No. Is KS in reality being dominate while appearing sexually submissive? KS struggles with this one. Submissiveness unavoidably entails some topping from the bottom elements. Should he struggle with this? No. Should he struggle at all? Yes to the extent it helps him be a better husband to a hotwife. No otherwise. Why? Because all he does vis-a-vis Min-Ju is loving, not mean, compassionate, not selfish, and always caring and considerate. The small conflicts are overshadowed by his loving wishes and actions.

I think in their sex game dynamics Min-Ju is the more adventurous. Both struggle with impositions and restrains and rules versus their not fully understood desires for specific somethings to happen. Much of KS's comments on this forum relate to balancing 1) the causing to achieve and experience what he imagines he wants and what he imagines and hopes she wants when 2) they both want what they want to occur naturally without much forcing, without awkwardness, and without being fully responsible. What they want should flow naturally from a small initial shove. They like to challenge each other. Signifiant events originate in their daring each other. Min-Ju likes to surprise. They have some general rules, i.e. Min-Ju is free. KS will only object if she might be harmed, otherwise full, if faux reluctant, permissiveness. Her freedom is constrained by a few rules. Outside safety rules, they are as few as possible--Min-Ju lived with childhood rules, now she wants self-expressive freedom. So the rules are trigger rules. (I'm happy I had a part in some.) The key rule is 'enthusiastic yes'. The lifting her yellow dress to her pantieless waist for the Korean artist was an enthusiastic yes. The other rules tend to be situation specific, often resulting from dares. The dares have been strong--tell the artist you want to be his slut--tell Caleb you will do whatever he wants--etc. Wow! Their games are restrained by Min-Ju's cultural reluctance to initiate contact with strangers. KS, rightly in my opinion, thinks the seeking of play participants will help Min-Ju becoming more socially effective in US society.

We commenters collectively seek to assist KS in two main areas. With his balancing 'let it happen naturally' with his wish that 'this something will happen for her and/or for him'. And with his wish as a loving husband to guide and help Min-Ju enjoy her life to the fullest. We also praise and share. And sometimes disagree among ourselves. This is as it should be.

 

[George]

Congratulations.

 

[mystTiger]

wow.... that was a hot night you had.... i wonder how much of it will turn out to be just fantasy play and how much of it Min-Ju will actually make a reality? you must be getting a bit nervous about the upcoming visit now.... getting that angsty feeling in the pit of your stomach.... has Min-Ju told you more of her plans for what will happen when he arrives yet? has he responded to her email about the cancelled hotel yet?

in terms of your play night and the thought of telling the waitress and SooYun, do you think you are ready yet? it seems like Min-Ju wants to tell it but wants to be sure that you are ready before she does tell....

and how about the fact that she might want the KA totally bare.... is this just fantasy or is this what Min-Ju really wants? the risk making it even more daring and taboo therefore it will heighten her sexual release with him... knowing that you are accepting the fact that she is totally bare with her lover when you have never been allowed to experience that feeling with her....

i know you say it was heat of the moment fantasy talk... but maybe that is just how it was for you... what if that is what Min-Ju really wants?... i think you should be prepared for that just in case....

anyway, no matter what I'm sure you will have an exciting few days ahead and i am very excited to hear the updates when you can... maybe you can be updating us while you sleep on the couch listening to them having hot sex in your bed?

 

[nardpleeker]

Umm... that really IS hot. I don't think it would turn me on to be outed, but I can tell how it affects you -- your being outed is turning me on, vicariously! From previous posts, I don't know whether Min-Ju really wants SooYun to know, but, if SooYun is going to be told, I suppose Min-Ju will make YOU tell her, in the most embarrassing way.

Like mystTiger, I wonder if Min-Ju is more excited and serious about the "no birth control" idea than you are.

Generally, she gets excited when you goad/dare/whatever her to do something that she wants to do but is afraid to do -- either because it's too extreme or because she's worried that you won't take it well. She's got a talent for pushing your buttons, but you've also got a talent for pushing hers, and birth control is clearly one of them. Can you resist pushing that button?

If you don't want it to go further, you better watch what's going on with those pills, because you've already told her that you want to do it. Maybe she isn't on the same page with this "just being fantasy."

I also wonder whether KA has responded to her invitation to stay with you. He would be a fool not to accept.

If you think your balls ache now, just wait!

 

[koreanslut]

Quick post. It's been a long and busy day. After sleeping in late we went out to do some shopping for fun clothes for her to wear for him, with some success but not as much as we would have liked. I wanted to find a knockout red cocktail dress for the reception and something really feminine to wear just for him, but we never seemed to find quite the right thing. We should have started earlier so online was an option, but oh well. I did get some new red lace underwear for her, and a couple other small things. Keeping ourselves busy, it seems, is our strategy for handing the rising anxiety and excitement. Two more days!

Yes, she woke up to find a reply email from the Korean artist. She read it in bed in front of me actually (again, illegible) and had a smile on her face. All she would say is it as positive. Pressing her with threats of tickling got me nowhere. I started to dare her to reply back with something still more explicit, but then changed my mind. Maybe it's hotter for us, for all three of us, if there remains a little mystery and guesswork about what others are thinking?

But quick post, yes, because Min-Ju wants me in bed. More teasing and edging, she threatens. Honestly, I don't know if I can survive it; maybe I'll get lucky and we'll be too tired. My balls ache with need! My solace is that I intend her edger her too with her buzzer. With the right pattern of pressure and release, I can get her mewling like a horny little college girl.

I'm glad you seemed to enjoy my update from last night. Her play about going fully bare really caught your attention, didn't it?

Like mystTiger, I wonder if Min-Ju is more excited and serious about the "no birth control" idea than you are.

and how about the fact that she might want the KA totally bare.... is this just fantasy or is this what Min-Ju really wants? the risk making it even more daring and taboo therefore it will heighten her sexual release with him... knowing that you are accepting the fact that she is totally bare with her lover when you have never been allowed to experience that feeling with her....

The question of whether Min-Ju may be more excited and serious about that than I am really has me thinking. It's possible she is. Certainly you're right, Myst, that if she were to go totally bare the excitement of that risk and taboo will make her sexual pleasure much more intense. Really letting go that way is surprisingly hard for me, but among all her shyness, nervousness, and reserve, there are strong rebellious and rule-breaking impulses. She is definitely the impulsive one of us, whereas I am about rules and plans.

Now it's my turn to ask you guys for an honest and simple answer. Myst, Minos, George, Asianboy, Nard, and others, I want to hear from you honestly. Would it excite you, you would allow your wife or gf to go unprotected with another man? I'm genuinely curious. And I want to hear from lurkers, too. If it's motivation, the more people who say yes the more likely I may do the same. I want answers.

For me, I really don't know. I know it's really really crazy, but if it really came down to it, if Min-Ju really wanted to push that button, it might be powerfully erotic to give in and let her. But I would be surprised if the rule-minder in me didn't prevail. It usually does.

 

[asianboy]

Lunar New Year is fast approaching, and it would be really hot if Minju wore hanbok with sexy lingerie under it for the artist. I'm sure Minju would not be apposed to this idea.

As for your question... this is a really tough one, the risk is hot but I don't know the logical side of me prevents me from going there. Obviously I would allow my wife to fuck her bull without a condom as long as he is clean and so she can come home with loads of creampies in her. But for her to not be on the pill and get creampied/bred...now that is a whole different story. Would you mind your wife carrying someone else's child?

 

[nardpleeker]

Maybe it's hotter for us, for all three of us, if there remains a little mystery and guesswork about what others are thinking?

I've made my views clear on that: definitely!

On that note, if you end up moving out for a couple of days, would you have an excuse that it's a "business trip" or something? Then KA would wonder what happens when you get back. If he asks, Min-Ju could say "We'll figure something out."

The question of whether Min-Ju may be more excited and serious about that than I am really has me thinking. It's possible she is. Certainly you're right, Myst, that if she were to go totally bare the excitement of that risk and taboo will make her sexual pleasure much more intense. Really letting go that way is surprisingly hard for me, but among all her shyness, nervousness, and reserve, there are strong rebellious and rule-breaking impulses. She is definitely the impulsive one of us, whereas I am about rules and plans.

Now it's my turn to ask you guys for an honest and simple answer. Myst, Minos, George, Asianboy, Nard, and others, I want to hear from you honestly. Would it excite you, you would allow your wife or gf to go unprotected with another man? I'm genuinely curious. And I want to hear from lurkers, too. If it's motivation, the more people who say yes the more likely I may do the same. I want answers.

For me, I really don't know. I know it's really really crazy, but if it really came down to it, if Min-Ju really wanted to push that button, it might be powerfully erotic to give in and let her. But I would be surprised if the rule-minder in me didn't prevail. It usually does.

I hope you're kidding about taking important life advice from a bunch of anonymous perverts on the internet (no offense other commentators -- maybe I should just speak for myself).

To answer your question, in a sane state of mind, I would STRONGLY discourage it. A baby would be the ultimate in impulsive commitments, but that's taking things too far, in my opinion.

In your context, locked in a cage with aching balls, with both me and my wife approaching supernatural levels of hornyness and constantly teasing and daring each other to take the next step, I might weaken. Also, if had truly psyched myself into doing whatever maximizes her excitement, it might sway me to go along with it.

I predict that it doesn't matter what we say. You and she have already broken the taboo with the four crushed pills before the last time she slept with him, and the two of you will come up with some reckless game to dare each other to take it even further. Or maybe she's just going to go ahead and skip a bunch of pills, knowing that you're checking them out when she's not looking and can stop her. But that you'll feel a strange helplessness come over you and let fate take its course.

Of course, contrary to what's be said in previous posts, you can't feel whether she's on the pill or not, except psychologically. But, you probably know that the pill reduces the sex drive in many women, which, without it, peaks during ovulation. You said that she has her period now. If it started about Feb. 10, an online calendar I checked says that her time of maximum fertility would be Feb. 22 - 26, which starts the Sunday before he leaves. So, he might experience a level of sexual intensity that you *really* haven't.

In any case, I'll be awaiting updates eagerly. The next few days are going to be excruciating for you, and then it's going to get a lot worse, so you should unburden yourself here (you'll have plenty of time since you won't be able to sleep).

 

[nardpleeker]

Are you and Min-Ju planning to have children of your own? Could it be that she is subconsciously tempted to risk pregnancy because she thinks you're not interested in giving her a baby?

 

[Chaste4River]

Hi KS, I've been lurking on your thread for a while. I've gone back and read every line of both of your threads and I have to say that I have never been turned on more than while reading about Min-Ju's adventures. Your style of writing is amazing. With every sentence I read I can feel your internal struggle to please your wife by letting her find pleasure elsewhere, battling with your desire to not let things get too out of hand. When you describe how she teases you, I can feel the pain and the pleasure that I imagine you must also be feeling. Your stories have helped to grow my own desire to explore this lifestyle with my wife. I've gone so far as to tell my wife a little bit about your situation. I haven't sold her on it yet, but I can see that the seed has been planted. Even now, the desire to see that seed grow is battling with the thought of how I may feel once it bears fruit.

Speaking of planting seeds and bearing fruit, the thought of Min-Ju going off the pill is so incredibly erotic. The last time you two played around with birth control was with KA as well if I remember correctly, and it was an incredible experience for the two of you, as well as for us, your captivated audience. I think the only way for it to be more erotic is if you don't get to be a part of that decision. First thing in the morning, go to your wife and tell her that it is up to her. She decides whether or not to take the pill. But she won't tell you her decision until after he has left and gone home. Only then can you know whether he has had her completely bare. This has two results. First, the thought of her going completely bare with him will have you so scared and so thrilled at the same time. You'll spend the entire time wondering whether she's being bred by the very man that consummated your marriage for you. Second, it takes even more control away from you. And really, that's what this week seems to be about. Giving her the power. Putting her in control. You both want that. Whether you want her to be bred or not, it should be her decision. She'll make the right one, but you have to leave it up to her.

I know that even going that far may be too much for you to take, but if you want to take it just a bit farther, then I have one last suggestion. Even though you won't know what she's decided, I think she should somehow make you tell KA that she's not on the pill. True or not, I think that would be humiliating for you to have to admit. Like I said though, I don't know if you want to take it that far.

One more thing. I very much would like to hear more about you and SooYun. I like the thought of you being shown off to other women, even if it's in a humiliating way. I can picture my own wife doing something like that to me, and I can't help but be turned on by it.

 

[asianboy]

I've made my views clear on that: definitely!

On that note, if you end up moving out for a couple of days, would you have an excuse that it's a "business trip" or something? Then KA would wonder what happens when you get back. If he asks, Min-Ju could say "We'll figure something out."

To add to this, if you are going to move out for the few days, saying you are going on a "business trip" would work but this gave me an idea. It could be hot if you come back to the apartment and catch them fucking and just act like nothing out of the ordinary is happening. That would be an interesting way to be outed.

 

[George]

Being off the pill was discussed before. You gave this a lot of thought the other time and received a variety of opinions. Then and now the ******** is in the pre-ovulation portion of her cycle, safer than later. I suspect one reason Min-Ju did not stay another week with KA the time before was the increasing pregnancy risk each day she stayed.
Here's how I read the risks. Artist will be around Wednesday through Sunday, five days. Min-Ju's cycle will start somewhere between Monday and Wednesday. She has been on the pill for a long time. Women seldom are fertile the first month they are off the pill. Min-Ju can tell when she ovulates. If she misses the first week of pills, taking them thereafter will help little that cycle. So:
If she stops pill taking for the five days, Wed, to Sun., she might ovulate while artist's sperm are still viable. But if she does ovulate, she will know. Even if she ovulates, it's fertility will be poor due to her hormone environment being low. If she ovulates and fears pregnancy the morning after pill is 80% plus effective up to 72 hours later. So risks are real but relatively low.
What to do? Encourage her to make the most of her experience. Last time pregnancy risk was a major turn on and is the one thing she has never allowed you, but has allowed him. These are powerful attractants to her. So encourage her gently, but it is her decision. When he leaves she will be safe--no bare for you, or anyone else, until the next cycle.
Your answers. Yes it excites me. Yes I would have let my wife do it. She understands her impregnation risks.
BTW, her parents would be thrilled if their first grandchild looked mostly Korean--Korean genetics over Caucasian, Yeh. Oh, and the portion of husbands raising another man's child, mostly without knowing, is much higher than commonly believed. Some say for the US, its about 10 percent. That rate seems high to me, but it is common.

 

[jwff]

Now it's my turn to ask you guys for an honest and simple answer. Myst, Minos, George, Asianboy, Nard, and others, I want to hear from you honestly. Would it excite you, you would allow your wife or gf to go unprotected with another man? I'm genuinely curious. And I want to hear from lurkers, too. If it's motivation, the more people who say yes the more likely I may do the same. I want answers.

Uh, I'm hate to be the one with a bucket of cold water, but STD risk ≠ sexy. Make sure involved parties are tested first.

As for the pregnancy risk... it's a sexy thought, but the implications are huge. It's not a decision to be made on the spur of the moment; make sure you both want it first. Also, I expect that it would probably bring a close to your hotwifing adventures in the short to medium term at minimum, as such things make rather substantial demands on one's time.

 

[mystTiger]

so heres my 2 cents... i am currently single so my point of view my be invalid anyway, but i get very aroused at the thought of pregnancy risk play... the thought of my wife or girlfriend being totally bare with her lover, knowing that there is a strong possibility of me having to then raise another mans baby makes me hot when i imagine it in the realm of fantasy. there is a possibility that i would want to actually try this kind of risk play at some stage if the situation felt right. if i was in a strong enough and loving relationship and my wife did get pregnant by another man i like to think i would be able to deal with it and raise the child as my own but i know that if things in the relationship turned sour at any stage it would be likely that it would then become a very big issue and could even lead to a resentment by me towards the child. also you don't know how the child would respond in the future if they ever found out.

so basically what i am saying is that i think it is a very hot fantasy and in reality it could be a very exciting, thrilling, arousing, taboo experience for all parties and is something that i will more than likely be drawn to experiencing when i am in a relationship in the future... but that while it would be a very hot experience just ensure that you think and talk every aspect through... as someone mentioned there is always the morning after pill if you wish to reduce the risk after the fact...

my other advice is while you may decide as a couple to go ahead and let Min-Ju experience her lover totally bare, just think about the effect of experiencing such a rush... in my opinion sexual fetishes and cuckolding are like drugs, as you explore and experience things to achieve the same rush again the boundaries and limits need to be constantly pushed... this can be seen within your own relationship already in how Min-Ju initially was reluctant to share much with SooYun about the more personal details of your relationship yet she is now talking about outing you to her friend fully... perhaps this is just fantasy, but it seems the fantasy is constantly getting more and more prominent in your lifestyle and the boundaries getting pushed...

So if Min-Ju goes totally bare with her lover this time, what happens the next time she is with another partner? maybe it won't happen right away with a new lover, but as she has experienced it previously and most likely enjoyed it and experienced an intense sexual high from it, the probability is very high that she would want to also go totally bare with any new lover she trusts... in the end it could mean that there would be a high chance that she will give birth to another mans baby and want you to raise it as your own...

if that is something you feel you can deal with then go right ahead and let Min-Ju experience a wonderful sexual high with her lover, but make sure that you talk things fully through with her first, let her know your thoughts and feelings in regards to the matter, be honest, if it turns you on but you are unsure, let her know... ask her to tell you her feelings in regards to it... make sure she gives you a full answer, this is not a topic to discuss as hot wife and cuckold while being edged, it is a husband and wife discussion in broad daylight. Be honest and open with each other and you will find the answer that is right for you both as a couple... your internet fans can only provide our opinion and sideline views, you are the one who gets to experience the sexual rush of offering your wife bare to another man and you are the one who has to live with any resulting consequences....

i think i have rambled and over explained my point in this post, but i think you can understand what i am saying... talk it through and do what is right for your relationship but just make sure you are both on the same page

 

[mrglad2cu2]

This has to be the most incredible cuckold story I have ever read. Hopefully I might have one to add one day. I meet my Asian girlfriend in less than a month and she is aware of my likes and has agreed to make me happy.

I think the easiest way for Min-Ju to introduce the idea to KA is to remind him that he has had the special privilege of both consummating the marriage and also having her bare, unlike her husband who has to wear condoms. Then it leaves it open for Min-Ju to ask KA the question, “do you like having special privileges”

Good luck with whatever happens