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Curious Wife

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  • #101
Mary's pet,

Regarding your comment

marys_pet said:
Yup, exactly.

and others, above:

Your description of your own relationship with your wife, as described in your thread that begins here:

http://www.cuckolds.com/forums/general-cuckoldry/11765-saturdays.html

seems very much like a femdom or wife-led marriage similar in nature to the style of marriage advocated by Ms. Elise Sutton on her web site and in her books.

As Shakespeare would have put it, no doubt: You doth protest too much, methinks.*

—Custer

*Adapted from Hamlet.
 
  • #102
Lexxi, this question was posed earlier but wrapped up in the middle of a lot of other information and questions, and you didn't answer it. But the question I have is- what if your husband doesn't agree to this lifestyle? What if he flat out refuses? You must have some idea as to whether he will or not, and my sense is that you think he will, but nonetheless, there is a chance that he won't. In that case, do you plan on ending the marriage so that you can get the sexual satisfaction you seek?
 
  • #103
OK. It looks like my comment on Elise Sutton's site caused a "stir"

First of all, let me explain my feelings on this.

When I said it was an amazing site, I was referring to the CUCKOLDING parts of it. Go to her Q&A section and look at #14.

As far as the other stuff, I think we all would have different opinions on that. We are all into cuckolding, or we wouldn't be here. As far as the other things on her site, I think some of us would like certain things, others wouldn't.

As for me, the D&S is very interesting, B&D and S&M leave me cold. I'm sure we all have our own opinions.

The problem that arose from all this is that the "arguement" over this site seems like it took over the direction of this thread. So much so that wonderful post by "cucktail" went pretty much uncommented on.

Oh, Custer made a small comment on it, but not in his usually fascinating "break it down line by line" manner...but the "argueing" over the site still continued.

I'd like to say...why don't we all agree to disagree over Elise Sutton's site.

And Custer, how about "fishboning" cucktail's post for us.

I have been VERY busy at work and so has my husband. We're therefore planning on talking a one week+ vacation starting the week of August 15th.

WE're going to LAS VEGAS!!!

If I can't "get up the balls" to get this thing started soon, I'm going to miss a wonderful opportunity.

So, let's get this thread back on track. Advice and ideas are needed now more that ever.

I NEED to do this.
 
  • #104
Cucktail said:
I may be a little late to this party, but I'd like to offer my story, as we have very similar backgrounds and to give you another women's persepective.

I was a bookworm in highschool, top marks, scholarships, and I also too always had a little weight on (not much mind you, but enough that I didnt like it) but I did have a very active social life and guys did look my way. That could be because I came from a small town too, guys having limited options ...

I got married young, I was 23 years old. Within 3 years, I had two children and was feeling even worse about how I looked. Sure I exercised regularly, but could never get down to that weight I wanted.

Sex with hubby was always good. Up to that point in time, he was the only man that I ever orgasmed with. His cock isn't overly big or thick (he is about 6"), and I never wanted another ....

One day, I saw on our computer's history that he was on chat sites looking at porn. Well, when he'd be away I would go to these sites and day-dream. I felt myself wanting to be these women and like you, I didn't know how to bring the topic up ....

So I started talking to hm during sex ... dirty talk. The first time I spread my ass and whispered in his ear that I'd love a big black cock in it now. He came so fast ... I knew then that this idea turned him on and that I was well on my way to getting what I wanted.

So I geared my dirty talk towards getting him involved , asking him what he wanted to see , telling him some of my fantasies, feeding off his reactions ... it took alot of time, almost a year, but all this talk about involving others in our sex lifes and always, always, during sex saying "would you like to see that?" (if he said no, I never brought that up again, if he said yes I concentrated on that more and more) ... afterwards we'd always say it was only talk, but I knew different.

Finally, one day I felt brave and asked him for the first time not during sex if he wanted to take the step to making our fantasies real. And he said "yes" ... I couldn't get the smile off my face. We joined AFF the next day. We had offers from couples, and single men and we met people and our journey began. We became swingers, still are, but nowadays I get to play with men while he watches alot more than ever before.....

That's probably where we differ. I was against him having sex with other women, but I was feeling guilty that it was so easy for me to find men and we joined AFF on the premise of finding couples ... so I soon had to accept that he would sometimes have sex with other women, but only when I okayed it, and I only okayed it when I wanted a guy whose wife wouldn't let him play with her playing too ...

A part of me thinks he knows that this is all about me ... he has went out and found men and brought the home. He is very accepting of me going out and having my fun ... I love him very much, would never leave him, and I want, no, I NEED him, to be a part of this in every aspect.

It is all about communication, no secrets, being open ... and for me, a little compromise - letting hijm have a little fun too, making it easier for him to accept. No sure if it will work for you, but I wish you luck and hope it all works out for you ...

Thank you so much for your post. Although our situations aren't exactly the same, there are some similarities though. I like how you progressed carefully. I think in my situation, that's the key.

I like where this all led you. I want my hubby as a part of this too. That's why cheating just doesn't do it for me. I just hope that we get to the same place you are at some point.

Thanks again.
 
  • #105
Cuck Curious said:
Lexxi, this question was posed earlier but wrapped up in the middle of a lot of other information and questions, and you didn't answer it. But the question I have is- what if your husband doesn't agree to this lifestyle? What if he flat out refuses? You must have some idea as to whether he will or not, and my sense is that you think he will, but nonetheless, there is a chance that he won't. In that case, do you plan on ending the marriage so that you can get the sexual satisfaction you seek?

My feeling is that it's my job to "sell" him on this lifestyle. My gut tells me he'd be perfect for it. If I'm wrong, then I will go from there and see where all this leads us. I have absolutely no plans for ending this marriage for any reason, but I also have no plans to give up my need to try a big black dick.

I'll just have to do a very good job of "selling" him I guess.
 
  • #106
Lexxi just try a bbc already! Youre a BCS!
 
  • #107
sharky20 said:
Lexxi just try a bbc already! Youre a BCS!

What's a BCS?
 
  • #108
black cock slut
 
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  • #110
Well, it looks like the "Maury invasion" has ended. Either my thread was pushed too far down because of that and people forgot about me, or maybe no one feels that they have any good advice for me.

Either way, I'm finalizing my plan of approach, and hopefully have some news for everyone soon.
 
  • #111
Excellent!

I hadn't seen this thread either.

So, how do you plan to do this? Go on tell!

My story posted on another thread might help your situation or it may not.
 
  • #112
Re.: Ms. Cucktail's account of transforming her husband to her cuckold

Hi Ms. Cucktail,

This post is in response to Ms. Lexxi’s request that I comment on your post # 95, of 21 July 2010, above.

Cucktail said:
I may be a little late to this party, but I'd like to offer my story as we [Ms. Lexxi and I] have very similar backgrounds. I’d like to give Ms. Lexxi another women's perspective.

This is excellent. The more married women post in forums like this expressing their desires to cuckold their husbands, and the strategies they have employed to successfully bring this about with full acquiescence and acknowledgment by their husbands of their need to fuck other men while married, the more the feeling will spread among women that it’s not only acceptable but desirable to express their sexuality to the fullest, and recognize they’re capable of being much more sexual (in many if not most cases), and certainly much more orgasmic, than their husbands.

Cucktail said:
I was a bookworm in high school, top marks, scholarships, and I too also had a little excess weight (not much, mind you, but enough that I didn’t like it). I did, however, have a very active social life and guys looked my way. That [may have been, at least in part,] because I came from a small town where guys had limited options.

There's nothing wrong with being a serious student. Working hard and taking your work seriously, when you’re a student and later when you have a job or profession, is the way you “get ahead” (as it’s called) and reach your goals. Your “active social life” and “guys looking your way” during your student days suggests you had… and still have, no doubt… an outgoing personality and a willingness to engage in at least “light” flirting during your daily conversations with men. These personality characteristics almost certainly are standing you in good stead now that you’re a married women who takes lovers.

Cucktail said:
I got married young, I was 23 years old. Within 3 years, I had two children and was feeling even worse about how I looked. Sure I exercised regularly, but could never get down to that weight I wanted.

Losing weight is primarily a matter of eating less, while paying attention to maintaining good nutrition. Regular exercise is desirable… essential, actually… but from the point of view of weight loss, it’s secondary. (Maybe you know this by now.)

Cucktail said:
Sex with hubby was always good. Up to that point in time, he was the only man I ever orgasmed with.

Very good. You’re a fortunate woman.

Cucktail said:
His cock isn't overly big or thick (he is about 6"), but I never wanted another.

So far, so good. It sounds like you were a “well adjusted” if conventional married woman.

Cucktail said:
One day, I saw on our computer's history that my husband was [visiting] chat sites [and] looking at porn. When he was away, I began going to these sites and day-dreaming [i.e., fantasizing]. I felt myself wanting to be these women. But, like you [Ms. Lexxi], I didn't know how to bring the topic up.

Oh, oh… trouble in paradise. A cloud on the horizon.

Cucktail said:
So I started talking to my husband during sex ... dirty talk. The first time I spread my ass and whispered in his ear that I'd love a big black cock in it now. He came so fast ... I knew then that this idea turned him on and that I was well on my way to getting what I wanted.

That was a VERY bold beginning. You took the bull by the horns (perhaps I should say, your husband by his cock) and you scored, big time. It’s my impression that most married women who want to expand their sexual horizons don’t have enough nerve to do that, or anything like it, and thus remain in a state of frustrated indecision re. how to proceed.

Cucktail said:
So I geared my dirty talk toward getting him involved, asking him what he wanted to see, telling him some of my fantasies, feeding off his reactions.

Excellent! It seems hard to imagine a better approach.

Cucktail said:
It took a lot of time, almost a year, but [during sex I always talked to him] about involving others in our sex lives and always, always during sex saying "would you like to see ‘that’?" If he said no, I never brought “that” up again; if he said yes, I concentrated on “that” more and more. Afterwards we'd always say it was only talk, but I knew different.

I’ll assume by “that” you mean specific unconventional or “somewhat dirty” sex acts, rather than involving others in your sexual encounters with your husband in a generic sense (the latter being your constant underlying theme). In any case, your approach shows high-level psychological insight. Always talking dirty to him during sex thus moving him just a little bit further forward each time was clearly effective. It’s hard to see how you could have moved him forward if the two of you always remained silent while fucking.



Cucktail said:
Finally, one day I felt brave and asked my husband for the first time, NOT during sex, if he wanted to take a step toward making our fantasies real. He said "yes." I couldn't get the smile off my face. We joined Adult FriendFinder (AFF) the next day. We had offers from couples, and single men, and we met people, and our journey began.

This too was a bold as well as essential key step on your part. Clearly, you were driving your husband’s transition toward acceptance of becoming your cuckold. When he said “yes,” you obviously knew you had succeeded. I would suggest, though, that your journey began (arguably) when you first spread your ass and told your husband “you’d like a big black cock in it right now”… then realized that statement turned him on.

Cucktail said:
We became swingers, and still are, but now I get to play with men while he watches a lot more.

How long, Ms. Cucktail, did it take to make the transition from “playing” with other couples with both of you participating more-or-less equally, to you fucking other men in front of your husband while he watched (mostly)?

Cucktail said:
That's probably where [Ms. Lexxi and I] differ. I was against my husband having sex with other women.

Yes, of course, and properly so.

Cucktail said:
But, I also felt guilty about it being so easy for me to find men, and we had joined AFF on the premise that we would find couples.

I think this is the classic pattern among couples who become swingers. The wife soon finds there are lots of men she can fuck as a married woman, while the husband finds there aren’t nearly as many “available” women who want to have sex with him as a married man. I gather it’s hard for “available” women to see what’s in it for them, unless the married man is really exceptional.


Cucktail said:
I soon had to accept that my husband would sometimes have sex with other women, but only with my permission — and I only gave him my permission when I wanted a guy whose wife wouldn't let him play without her playing too.

That sounds like a practical way to handle it.

Cucktail said:
A part of me thinks my husband knows this is all about me. He has, for instance, gone out and found men [for me] and brought them home. He is very accepting of me going out and having my fun.

VERY good. Your husband clearly understands and accepts his role as your cuckold. When you started your cuckold-to-be down this road, this is where you wanted to end up with him, and this is where Ms. Lexxi wants to end up with her cuckold-to-be.

Cucktail said:
I love him very much, would never leave him, and I want, no, I NEED him, to be a part of this in every aspect.

There appears to be no doubt you are a “conventional, frustrated wife to satisfied cuckoldress” success story. Your account is inspirational, in the sense it provides Ms. Lexxi — as well as other women who may read this thread — with a road man that may, potentially, work for her (and them).

Cucktail said:
It is all about communication, not keeping secrets, and being open... and for me, a small compromise… letting my husband have a little fun too, thus making [my taking lovers] easier for him to accept. I’m not sure [whether all this] will work for you, Ms. Lexxi, but I wish you luck and hope it does.

THANK YOU, Ms. Cucktail, for providing this valuable guidance to Ms. Lexxi on the art of transforming a husband, who expects his wife to remain faithful, to a cuckold who accepts that it is his wife’s privilege and prerogative to date and fuck whomever she wishes, while he remains faithful to her (or engages only in conditional extramarital sex, in your case, requiring your permission).

—Custer
 
  • #113
Plan in action yet?

So Lexxi...tell us your most likely plan of action for meeting your first very-well-hung Black lover,and cuckolding your so-far unsuspecting hubby. I'm very interested in what you're leaning towards...:)
 

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  • #114
Custer,

I'm not as adept at the "quoting" yet as you are ... so I'll answer your questions as best I can without referencing your statements.

1) How long did it take for to transition from couples to him watches me primarily with other men?

Well that is really still ongoing. We still prefer to swing with couples. But getting four people's schedules to match, as well as four people with chemistry, is sometimes difficult. But as you pointed out, it is alot easier to find a "single man willing toplay with a married woman". We were with our first couple in August 2008. We'd love to be able to play much more than we do .... but our life limits us somewhat ... so when we do play we like to take full advantage.

Our first experience with my husband just watching occured in the spring of 2009. We were at a party, but then we all headed out to a club to dance and whatnot. We thought that this would be a night where nothing happened (they do occur ..lol). After the club closed, we all jumped in cabs. We thought we were just dropping people off and going home, but everyone wanted to keep drinking and having a good time so we went into our friends place for a nightcap. We were relatively new withthis crowd and when people started pairing up, all the was left was hubby, me and two guys. Hubby started to undress me, and then the two guys came over and started to help him ... to my astonishment, hubby back away and sat on the end of the couch and watch me with these two guys.

I hope this answers the question

2) I was never a frustrated wife ... and some here would say he isn't a cuckold at all. I'll let others decide that for themselves, but we are happy and comfortable with what we have .....
 
  • #115
Hi Ms. Cucktail,

Thanks for your reply, which clarifies the nature of your relationship with your husband.

Regarding your comment that you aren't sure whether your husband is a cuckold at all, the definition is:

cuckold: a man with an unfaithful wife.

Thus, if you fuck men other than your husband he is your cuckold by definition. (Different flavors and variations on this theme supposedly required for a married man to qualify as a "real" cuckold are debated endlessly on this forum, but these are just individual preferences. They aren't relevant to the dictionary definition, which is short and simple.)

—Custer

*To quote segments of a prior post by someone else, click the "quote" button at lower right. Then, delete everything you don't want to quote. But, leave the segment you do want to quote bracketed by [.....] at the beginning and [/QUOTE] at the end. Then, copy and paste the [.....], which defines the beginning of the "quoted" words, to the beginning of each subsequent segment you want to quote. Also, end each subsequent segment you want to quote with [/QUOTE].
 
  • #116
Lexi,

Wow! Just read your thread and I'd love to comment in a number of ways, but I'll try to withhold myself somwhat.

First, as near as I can tell I'm the only BBC commenting on the thread - personally I've provided guidance and "coaching" to nearly two dozen couples who've started from where you are - to the ultimate conclusion of hubby looking at that glistening black cock being withdrawn from his wifes freshly fucked pussy leaking the seed of her first black lover.

I can direct you to threads of my own adventures on dark cavern forms if your interested - I post there under the same screen name. But I digress.

My personal preference is to play with submissive couples where I can "train" the couple to serve BBC. In some cases the hubby is an observer, in most he is a participant by being humiliated and/or dominanted.

Had I not just discovered your thread today - I'd be in a conversation about meeting you in Las Vegas!
Vega - what an opportunity! You have the chance to say hubby - were in Vegas - we could do anything here! Press any limits...what should we do? He of coures will still never suggest you go fuck a black guy - but you could open this door in a big way.
You could ask him - do you ever get jealous - (then point out that either you've never seen it, or it's erotic when you've seen him do it).

You could tell him that you want to experiment with making him jealous...then go have sex (with him)...where he can "show you his jealousy" and release his energy...that is a very addictive energy and feeling.
I'm sure you can get him to play with this idea - even if reluctantly.
After you get a few drinks in him at a club...you can have him sit and watch you as you go flirt and dance. This will be an EXCELLENT gauge of what your likely to encounter in leading him down this road.

That should be more than enough to get you started...if things go VERY well....you will know how to manage him from there.

By the way- in your thread I don't think you said where your from? I have not checked your profile, so if it's there - I apologize.

I'm enjoying your thread.
 
  • #117
Hi Ms. Lexxi,

A website on female/male relationships that used to be maintained by Dr. Cherry Lee and her associate, Dr. Ronnie West (both pseudonyms), but was discontinued after Ms. Lee said it was using up too much of her time, has been re-constituted here:

Index Page for Modern Directions

It includes a large section on "cuckold husband / hotwife" marriages and LTRs, including white married women fucking black lovers and other interracial (IR) sex. I strongly recommend it. It's directly relevant to the form of marriage you want to lead your husband to (by his penis), and has the advantages of being very sane and well-written. I.e., it's neither crude nor pornographic.

One of the letters on this site, from an e-mail received from a white married woman who fucks black lovers, was in a situation that seems quite analogous to yours when she first started... except instead of telling her black colleague "she couldn't fuck him because of her marriage," she went ahead and fucked him (at a time when she was pissed off at her husband). He then accepted her need to do that. It can be found here:

My Husband vs. My Lovers

It's one I happened to notice today. Please note, however, there are many letters on this site that are relevant to your "problem," in addition to being quite erotic.

I encourage you to continue turning yourself on by thinking about fucking black men, and to continue planning, and to continue observing your husband's responses, and to continue taking into account the feedback he gives you (often, perhaps, unknowingly), and to modify your directions accordingly in order to keep him moving forward, always. I hope you've begun to take action by now, and will soon provide us with a draft of your plan of action...

Lasciviously —

Custer
 
  • #118
The importance of conversation... and time; the clock is running...

Hi Ms. Lexxi,

Only 4 more days until your trip to Las Vegas with your cuckold-in-waiting. I hope you're implementing the crucially-important strategy pointed out (in effect) by Ms. Cucktail... that is, *talking suggestively* (or "dirty," if you prefer) with him, when the two of you are in bed together, while holding his wienie and balls in (preferably) both hands.

For good commentary on the importance of conversation in guiding your cuckold-in-waiting, I suggest reading (if you haven't already) or reviewing (if you have):

Real Women Don't Do Housework

The clock is running...

—Custer
 
  • #119
Tell him you're bi-curious and would like to kiss a girl. You're better off telling him this and being up-front about it. He may even be into it and encourage you to go and explore.
 
  • #120
Hi everyone. I have some time to post tonight, and I'll get to some of your posts in a minute. First I might as well give the disappointing news.

Due to something that has come up within our extended family, and our obligations in this matter, we have had to postpone our trip to Las Vegas.

I had SO!!! many ideas on how to get the issue of size going in that atmosphere. This is definitely a setback, but to be honest, neither of us really have a choice in this matter.

I will continue to look for the right opportunity to get started. I promise to keep everyone informed.
 

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