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Sounds like a good conversation. As long as you are involved and are enjoying your time together, party on Stb! Gonna be some great fun, I hope they let you enjoy them last night and in the future too! Sure there will be some sacrifice but it will be a whole new world as soon as you realize you still have her love and you just focus on how great things are versus what you gave up! We have all sacrificed something for a loved one at some point, this is just one of those things! Find pleasure in their pleasure and you are set.
I wasn't going to post anything tonight but now that I'm here.
Dutch. Her reasoning as confirmed today was that she wanted a reason for amping things up with him as well as something that would make him feel more okay about it. That is what led to him talking to me so it was a good thing.
Raks. I guess I should have said it but the conversation included that them together was a turn-on for me and later on as I will try to share, she said while we were all together in our bedroom that them together was something that got me hard and she joked "one of the few things".
Indeed when I did get to stroking my cock while watching them, Paul did look over and say something about it "being cool" and that he knows that "sometime that's what works best" with me taking a moment to realize he was referring to my hand. And cum I did, quite profusely too. She was right, knowing I shouldn't have expected anything from her today or earlier tonight, I did enjoy it last night - both times - so I'm quite well emptied tonight and she knows it..
But for now, I'll just share that I'm going to go back into our bedroom and cuddle up with my wife who is just finishing getting ready for bed. Tonight she'll sleep in my arms and if the closeness I felt earlier this evening is any indication, we'll be snuggling and making out in bed for quite a while before sleep.
Dutch. Her reasoning as confirmed today was that she wanted a reason for amping things up with him as well as something that would make him feel more okay about it. That is what led to him talking to me so it was a good thing.
Raks. I guess I should have said it but the conversation included that them together was a turn-on for me and later on as I will try to share, she said while we were all together in our bedroom that them together was something that got me hard and she joked "one of the few things".
Indeed when I did get to stroking my cock while watching them, Paul did look over and say something about it "being cool" and that he knows that "sometime that's what works best" with me taking a moment to realize he was referring to my hand. And cum I did, quite profusely too. She was right, knowing I shouldn't have expected anything from her today or earlier tonight, I did enjoy it last night - both times - so I'm quite well emptied tonight and she knows it..
But for now, I'll just share that I'm going to go back into our bedroom and cuddle up with my wife who is just finishing getting ready for bed. Tonight she'll sleep in my arms and if the closeness I felt earlier this evening is any indication, we'll be snuggling and making out in bed for quite a while before sleep.
Steve,
It is good to read that not only have you had a very openly honest discussion with Sue; it was great to read that you and Paul have now spoken about his intention, his general desires and what he understands as the basis of the overall relationship arrangement. With that said, I congratulate you on asking Paul directly about what he thought he was going to be doing in the longer term (a few years out) and he seemed to understand what you were specifically asking when he said that he "hoped to still be fucking her then" but that he added "what's the odds on that?"; it sounds as if he would like to make his arrangement with you and Sue a long term arrangement.
Before or after your open discussion between you and Paul, had you and Sue had the opportunity to talk about what could be the duration of the current arrangement/relationship with Paul? It memory is correct based on following your threads over the years, her time with Paul is currently the longest she has been with another man during the last nine years beyond that of you her husband. Not knowing if you and Sue have spoken about this possibility; would you be up for and OK with Sue continuing to see Paul exclusively long term, meaning that she would be off the market for any other man and what that could mean for you and Sue when it comes to what she proposed for this fall?
Sue was creative by giving Paul the impression that you were not able to fulfill that specific aspect of your marriage due to early onset ED by letting him know that it doesn’t always work. It would seem that this works for Paul as he has confirmed in his own way to you that with him being 9 years younger that he does not have the same issue in which Sue gave him the impression that you have. Sounds like you caught on quickly as I assume this explanation was not something you and Sue had discussed in advance. In my humble opinion, if you are truly OK with the prospect of intercourse exclusivity between Sue and Paul, that it was a very good move for you to validate Paul’s understanding and leave Paul with confirmation of the impression that Sue had given Paul by what you said "yeah, and I have to avoid the little blue pills because of my blood pressure", as this will help Sue with the foundation for maintaining a plausible explanation of the intercourse exclusivity with Paul, this same intercourse exclusivity that she has openly spoken with you about recently. Are you OK with the basis/reason that Sue gave to Paul for why she may have exclusive intercourse with him in the future?
It is good to read that not only have you had a very openly honest discussion with Sue; it was great to read that you and Paul have now spoken about his intention, his general desires and what he understands as the basis of the overall relationship arrangement. With that said, I congratulate you on asking Paul directly about what he thought he was going to be doing in the longer term (a few years out) and he seemed to understand what you were specifically asking when he said that he "hoped to still be fucking her then" but that he added "what's the odds on that?"; it sounds as if he would like to make his arrangement with you and Sue a long term arrangement.
Before or after your open discussion between you and Paul, had you and Sue had the opportunity to talk about what could be the duration of the current arrangement/relationship with Paul? It memory is correct based on following your threads over the years, her time with Paul is currently the longest she has been with another man during the last nine years beyond that of you her husband. Not knowing if you and Sue have spoken about this possibility; would you be up for and OK with Sue continuing to see Paul exclusively long term, meaning that she would be off the market for any other man and what that could mean for you and Sue when it comes to what she proposed for this fall?
Sue was creative by giving Paul the impression that you were not able to fulfill that specific aspect of your marriage due to early onset ED by letting him know that it doesn’t always work. It would seem that this works for Paul as he has confirmed in his own way to you that with him being 9 years younger that he does not have the same issue in which Sue gave him the impression that you have. Sounds like you caught on quickly as I assume this explanation was not something you and Sue had discussed in advance. In my humble opinion, if you are truly OK with the prospect of intercourse exclusivity between Sue and Paul, that it was a very good move for you to validate Paul’s understanding and leave Paul with confirmation of the impression that Sue had given Paul by what you said "yeah, and I have to avoid the little blue pills because of my blood pressure", as this will help Sue with the foundation for maintaining a plausible explanation of the intercourse exclusivity with Paul, this same intercourse exclusivity that she has openly spoken with you about recently. Are you OK with the basis/reason that Sue gave to Paul for why she may have exclusive intercourse with him in the future?
Steve,
Very convenient conversation from Paul but very worrying that this next stage is based on a lie, albeit a neat one. You haven't yet formally agreed to the change from September or its duration or other conditions. If you want to step back in say, November how can you do so? Miracle cure? Cialis is ok? Any lie from anyone here has the potential to turn round and bite you in the ass. This one particularly so. By talking you down in front of Paul without discussing and agreeing it with you first Sue has sunk to a new low.
Very convenient conversation from Paul but very worrying that this next stage is based on a lie, albeit a neat one. You haven't yet formally agreed to the change from September or its duration or other conditions. If you want to step back in say, November how can you do so? Miracle cure? Cialis is ok? Any lie from anyone here has the potential to turn round and bite you in the ass. This one particularly so. By talking you down in front of Paul without discussing and agreeing it with you first Sue has sunk to a new low.
Is it Sue or is STB Peak ? Sue has been continuously disrespectful of STB and it seems that is what he wants. And, that's the reason why after stating his anguish ( on this forum ) he has given in to what Sue has desired ( ****** upon ?) every single time. Shouldn't be a surprise as that's what cuckolds do. Give in to the desire of cuckolds every time. I think it's time for Custer to make an entry.
This specific section of the forum is about "General Cuckoldry", this is just a generalized question, why do you guy feel that this was ****** onto Steve? Maybe I am simply naive although I think we all have been reading the same forum threads associated with the introduction of Paul, Steve's published desire to explore his beta side which also resulted in Sue taking on and her growth into her role as an Alpha Woman.
So many people are OK with it is reverse when you have an Alpha Man with a Submissive (Beta) Woman yet do not find it as acceptable with a Alpha Woman with a Submissive (Beta) Man. Yes I am a bit biased as I live as a Submissive (Beta) Man within a Female Led Relationship/Marriage (FLR/M) so as others have pointed out in the past, I at times see some things for a different perspective. Most FLR/M are vanilla and do not include the so-called kink associated with this lifestyle and most of those that are vanilla based are much more common than most men would ever admit to because they are much more subtle.
Just my opinion, Sue is learning and growing her Alpha role, she will learn if she does not already know what is OK for them as a couple. It does seem at least on the outside that all three of them are talking much more open.
So many people are OK with it is reverse when you have an Alpha Man with a Submissive (Beta) Woman yet do not find it as acceptable with a Alpha Woman with a Submissive (Beta) Man. Yes I am a bit biased as I live as a Submissive (Beta) Man within a Female Led Relationship/Marriage (FLR/M) so as others have pointed out in the past, I at times see some things for a different perspective. Most FLR/M are vanilla and do not include the so-called kink associated with this lifestyle and most of those that are vanilla based are much more common than most men would ever admit to because they are much more subtle.
Just my opinion, Sue is learning and growing her Alpha role, she will learn if she does not already know what is OK for them as a couple. It does seem at least on the outside that all three of them are talking much more open.
I for one see so many interesting opportunities to have more and more cuck fun once Stb gets comfortable with the situation of pussy denial. I think Stb's dick is going to get more of a workout once he just accepts that this is his form of sex with Sue. Hopefully, he saw and enjoyed that this weekend!. Just go for it.
Instead of Paul having pity on Steve's "condition" and being happy to "help out", would it not be even hotter for Paul to know that Sue is preferring His cock, instead of Steve's healty big and hard cock (as seen by him when he and Sue are making out and fucking, with Steve watching)! That Sue did tell Paul almost 2 years ago Steve had an "issue" getting or staying hard, doesn't matter anymore. Paul has learned more and more of the kinkiness of Sue's and Steve's sexual relation. So he will easily forgive her this "lie with good intentions".
For Steve, as an cuckold, it should be even more exiting knowing Paul knows what he is giving up!
(I would! But my wifes lover meets her approx. 2 times in 3 months).
For Steve, as an cuckold, it should be even more exiting knowing Paul knows what he is giving up!
(I would! But my wifes lover meets her approx. 2 times in 3 months).
Only a little bit of time right now but she explained to me that they'd been talking about things, her wanting to be with him more and that sort of stuff. When I left them alone she told me that he started to ask what about Steve? She said that, and I knew this, had told him that sometimes I can't get hard (not true) but that it wasn't that often and when he asked, she merely said that it had gotten worse at times and that I was okay with her having her fun with him.
Raks, I think the thing you are missing is that she isn't forcing anything on me. I guess maybe that's it, but if I could separate all of my concerns and cautious thoughts and misgivings and know that things would be okay - I would gladly give Sue to him to use as he and she desired.
When we talked about it yesterday after he left, she told me that she thought it would be easier for all of us if Paul had some kind of reason other than us being kinky (aka - me being the beta cuckold). I told her that it obviously felt better for me and all of us. Which I haven't posted about yet but can summarize that Paul was much more comfortable when I was in the bedroom with them. in the past as I'd said I was cautious out of consideration for him if I was masturbating. But now, he understood that seeing him make love with Sue was something that got me hard and horny, that he seemed much more relaxed while I was there with them.
I had been a long time since I'd seen them intimate together and to be honest, I needed and wanted to see it. I knew that even before I would see them, that if she really responded to him and they were really passionate and intense together, that it was going to be something that would only make me want to let it happen even more so I actually wanted to be there and see how they were together. I did give them time together alone but I also went up to the doorway much sooner than I normally would have and I peered in and just watched.
I know she wanted him to come here after this lapse in time because of what we'd been talking about. As I said, she'd already told me that we should have the weekend be like it will be and for me to see how I feel about it and that had clearly meant no sex with me. I think knowing that made me appreciate watching them even more in that I was in no rush for them to move quickly for me to take my turn.
She was quite beautiful as I watched them go from standing there kissing with his hands caressing her to them lying on our bed just a few minutes later. As I said, in the past I wanted him to rip her clothes off her - but this time, I wanted to appreciate it. She told me later that she didn't know I was there so what I saw was her acting naturally with him as she would in his place. She teased him and I was pleased that she made him work to get her clothes undone and then off. I did wince at how well he knows her and admitted even at times that he seemed very smooth and relaxed with her as she easily met his actions with her own. But after what we'd talked about beforehand and what Paul and I had talked about, I actually wanted to see him seduce and have her fully.
Raks, I think the thing you are missing is that she isn't forcing anything on me. I guess maybe that's it, but if I could separate all of my concerns and cautious thoughts and misgivings and know that things would be okay - I would gladly give Sue to him to use as he and she desired.
When we talked about it yesterday after he left, she told me that she thought it would be easier for all of us if Paul had some kind of reason other than us being kinky (aka - me being the beta cuckold). I told her that it obviously felt better for me and all of us. Which I haven't posted about yet but can summarize that Paul was much more comfortable when I was in the bedroom with them. in the past as I'd said I was cautious out of consideration for him if I was masturbating. But now, he understood that seeing him make love with Sue was something that got me hard and horny, that he seemed much more relaxed while I was there with them.
I had been a long time since I'd seen them intimate together and to be honest, I needed and wanted to see it. I knew that even before I would see them, that if she really responded to him and they were really passionate and intense together, that it was going to be something that would only make me want to let it happen even more so I actually wanted to be there and see how they were together. I did give them time together alone but I also went up to the doorway much sooner than I normally would have and I peered in and just watched.
I know she wanted him to come here after this lapse in time because of what we'd been talking about. As I said, she'd already told me that we should have the weekend be like it will be and for me to see how I feel about it and that had clearly meant no sex with me. I think knowing that made me appreciate watching them even more in that I was in no rush for them to move quickly for me to take my turn.
She was quite beautiful as I watched them go from standing there kissing with his hands caressing her to them lying on our bed just a few minutes later. As I said, in the past I wanted him to rip her clothes off her - but this time, I wanted to appreciate it. She told me later that she didn't know I was there so what I saw was her acting naturally with him as she would in his place. She teased him and I was pleased that she made him work to get her clothes undone and then off. I did wince at how well he knows her and admitted even at times that he seemed very smooth and relaxed with her as she easily met his actions with her own. But after what we'd talked about beforehand and what Paul and I had talked about, I actually wanted to see him seduce and have her fully.
Steve,
Ok, so correct me where I'm wrong. Sue wants to deny you completely from her pussy and possibly everywhere else from September so that she can enhance her feeling for Paul, who doesn't seem to mind either way. It seems any way he can continue to have Sue for the next few years he will take. You are not quite sure about this and remain unsure whether you can withstand it, whether Sue will pull away from you emotionally, how long it will last, and how you will finally reconnect if Paul does stick around for years. But, you do seem sure that you can start this weekend, that safeguards are for sissies and that its ok for Sue to emasculate you in Paul's eyes thus making an ultimate reconnection while she is still seeing him quite tricky. Living on this side of the pond I never really understood Independence Day in quite the way you do, but this for Sue seems to add its own special flavour to the name at least.
Ok, so correct me where I'm wrong. Sue wants to deny you completely from her pussy and possibly everywhere else from September so that she can enhance her feeling for Paul, who doesn't seem to mind either way. It seems any way he can continue to have Sue for the next few years he will take. You are not quite sure about this and remain unsure whether you can withstand it, whether Sue will pull away from you emotionally, how long it will last, and how you will finally reconnect if Paul does stick around for years. But, you do seem sure that you can start this weekend, that safeguards are for sissies and that its ok for Sue to emasculate you in Paul's eyes thus making an ultimate reconnection while she is still seeing him quite tricky. Living on this side of the pond I never really understood Independence Day in quite the way you do, but this for Sue seems to add its own special flavour to the name at least.
Peak, we aren't rushing into things. While I knew that we'd have no contact this weekend she's already told me that later this week we will have our time together. As part of another conversation earlier this afternoon, out of nowhere she came out and said to me that "this isn't easy for me either" and she proceeded to tell me that she still enjoys sex with me enough so that it's distracting from what she wants with Paul. I asked her if that wasn't something she'd just thought up or whether it's really something at play here. She looked at me and said that these are things that I guess I have a hard time telling you about.
So, back to not rushing into things. I do agree on safeguards and such. I thought her ready agreement to limit their time together was a good start but apparently not for you? I'm not sure what you are thinking about - not sure that safe-words are what we need. Are we talking about rules? What would they be? No more than 5 orgasms? ****** consideration and/or time with me? See, for me, instead of insisting on those sorts of explicit things, for me, I need to know how she feels when I hold her in my arms and whether that feels different or whether she feels differently about that. If that's the thing that I look for as key to how I feel comfort in her being honest with me and not wanting to hurt me, then how do I put that into some sort of code that she can follow?
Instead, I have to say that the conversation with Paul was quite comforting as was how I felt the two of them together. Seeing her share herself physically with him, I still know her and I still know there's a part that she isn't sharing with him - maybe it's the part that she would give him if she truly felt she loved him or felt strongly - but I've seen her orgasm for 30 years now and for me, I am going to go with what my heart says.
But I please do welcome you sharing something that would represent a safeguard in how you are thinking because maybe I"m blinded by it but I 'dont see it right now
So, back to not rushing into things. I do agree on safeguards and such. I thought her ready agreement to limit their time together was a good start but apparently not for you? I'm not sure what you are thinking about - not sure that safe-words are what we need. Are we talking about rules? What would they be? No more than 5 orgasms? ****** consideration and/or time with me? See, for me, instead of insisting on those sorts of explicit things, for me, I need to know how she feels when I hold her in my arms and whether that feels different or whether she feels differently about that. If that's the thing that I look for as key to how I feel comfort in her being honest with me and not wanting to hurt me, then how do I put that into some sort of code that she can follow?
Instead, I have to say that the conversation with Paul was quite comforting as was how I felt the two of them together. Seeing her share herself physically with him, I still know her and I still know there's a part that she isn't sharing with him - maybe it's the part that she would give him if she truly felt she loved him or felt strongly - but I've seen her orgasm for 30 years now and for me, I am going to go with what my heart says.
But I please do welcome you sharing something that would represent a safeguard in how you are thinking because maybe I"m blinded by it but I 'dont see it right now
And, as far as "it isn't easy for me" ...it's just a joke. It's been something she has been planning for, she has been actively desiring for. We all heard how cold was she when she pushed for a deadline. She is just saying this to blunt the impact, if there is any. Because as it is you are loving being denied. If she pushed for more, she would get it too.
STB, let me ask you one simple question - Was the reason "Sex with you is distracting" is true or "I don't want to have sex with you, because sex with Paul is better" is true. Why does she needs to invent a reason and a different one every time? Please understand that I am just putting across some questions which would have come to your mind, were you not so hell bent on denial
Steve,
Simple example of a flag in use. Something that has actually happened already and where you did in fact use a flag in a way. In May 2015 and in Feb 2016, Sue was denying you sex but further was ignoring you emotionally. Simply put she was into Paul, was staying with him more time and was savouring her time when back and planning her next time before going back. Both were excused by 'trying to get in time before kids back' or similar. In both instances you threw a stick in the spokes and Sue stopped seeing Paul for a time and soothed your injured pride / made up. Both were quite extreme periods, both must have been a shock for Paul (how does Sue explain these periods to him), both must have exhausted some trust of Sue by you even if it was subsequently partly recovered. An agreed prior communication method that shows distress (yellow) or extreme distress (red) by either of you (in practice you mostly) may be a better way than suddenly crying out. Sue will know what she has to do, Paul will know what is happening and you will have some comfort that your worry will be dealt with.
Using this alone, you don't have to put a time limit on your denial (you can use a red to end / mitigate it). You don't have to put a limit on time spent with Paul (you can use a yellow to discuss it). You don't have to limit Sue's actions in any pre-arranged way. Nor do you need a fixed schedule of reconnections, although I would advise an agreed love making every x weeks or x times in 3 months.
The thing is, you could still just react when things get bad but those times for you tend to happen when things get really bad, they come as a shock to Sue (and Paul) and both of you struggle at first as how you should both react. These times are always going to be uncomfortable but this can be minimised.
I don't think Sue's vouchers (if you still have them) are useful safeguards. Firstly, you are unlikely to use them and even if you did, you could get a mercy blowjob or fuck that had little emotional connection and was merely Sue doing her 'duty' in some cold way before rushing back to Paul.
Finally, I really think you should nail Sue down in terms of her comments about wanting / needing / having sex with you while at the same time wanting exclusivity with Paul and saying she actively doesn't want sex with you and that fucking (not lovemaking) with Paul is better in virtually all aspects. Her comments to you which you pass on here are all over the place and frankly seem designed to distract you so that she can get you into line with whatever plan she is active with at the time. Just what is the genuine truth here? Before you start a non time limited denial and where Paul and Sue are planning to continue to see each other for years to come now, you might want to check to see whether Sue really plans or would like to never use your cock again.
Simple example of a flag in use. Something that has actually happened already and where you did in fact use a flag in a way. In May 2015 and in Feb 2016, Sue was denying you sex but further was ignoring you emotionally. Simply put she was into Paul, was staying with him more time and was savouring her time when back and planning her next time before going back. Both were excused by 'trying to get in time before kids back' or similar. In both instances you threw a stick in the spokes and Sue stopped seeing Paul for a time and soothed your injured pride / made up. Both were quite extreme periods, both must have been a shock for Paul (how does Sue explain these periods to him), both must have exhausted some trust of Sue by you even if it was subsequently partly recovered. An agreed prior communication method that shows distress (yellow) or extreme distress (red) by either of you (in practice you mostly) may be a better way than suddenly crying out. Sue will know what she has to do, Paul will know what is happening and you will have some comfort that your worry will be dealt with.
Using this alone, you don't have to put a time limit on your denial (you can use a red to end / mitigate it). You don't have to put a limit on time spent with Paul (you can use a yellow to discuss it). You don't have to limit Sue's actions in any pre-arranged way. Nor do you need a fixed schedule of reconnections, although I would advise an agreed love making every x weeks or x times in 3 months.
The thing is, you could still just react when things get bad but those times for you tend to happen when things get really bad, they come as a shock to Sue (and Paul) and both of you struggle at first as how you should both react. These times are always going to be uncomfortable but this can be minimised.
I don't think Sue's vouchers (if you still have them) are useful safeguards. Firstly, you are unlikely to use them and even if you did, you could get a mercy blowjob or fuck that had little emotional connection and was merely Sue doing her 'duty' in some cold way before rushing back to Paul.
Finally, I really think you should nail Sue down in terms of her comments about wanting / needing / having sex with you while at the same time wanting exclusivity with Paul and saying she actively doesn't want sex with you and that fucking (not lovemaking) with Paul is better in virtually all aspects. Her comments to you which you pass on here are all over the place and frankly seem designed to distract you so that she can get you into line with whatever plan she is active with at the time. Just what is the genuine truth here? Before you start a non time limited denial and where Paul and Sue are planning to continue to see each other for years to come now, you might want to check to see whether Sue really plans or would like to never use your cock again.
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