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Advice for New side of wife

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jakeandkate4ever

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For the last month or so I have been reading post and now I guess I need to start asking for advice. My wife has no idea about this post and never will. Also, I’m not going to post any pictures of us. This is strictly to share what I am going through and hopefully get some good advice on what to do.

First I will start with some history on us. Kate is 25 and I am 45. Yes I am aware of the difference and never thought that would happen. So how did it you ask? Well Kate got a job at the company I work for. My best friend Jill, who works for me now and then, decided to hook me up. I wish I could say Kate was the first, but she was one of a long list. But she was the last one she tried. It was more of a joke since the age difference is pretty big. Little did any of us know we would hit it off. Part of it was that Kate likes the father figure. Hers died when she was pretty young. Anyway 6 months later we got married and have been for 3 years now.

The first two years were really good. Then I had to have a triple bypass surgery and the medicine since has made love making very difficult. Just prior to that, Kate had a boob job and some nip and tucks. She was beautiful before that, but she had lost over 100 pounds. Her outlook on life and how she views herself really changed. I encouraged her to dress sexy and be more bold and confident.

So about 9 months ago the tensions were pretty high with her new body and outlook coupled with my impotence had things on edge. Then I bought her some toys and things calmed down. It helped take the edge off. They were suggested by Jill. We talk about everything. More on that later.

So I went back to work and Kate got bored. She had stopped working at my request, but she wanted it as well. That was how she got to go to the gym and work out so much. Then Brent a friend of hers and now mine asked her to help him out. He is a manager of a bar. I won’t name it but it is similar to hooters. They wear skirts (kilts hint hint) and the tops show are their breast. Not a strip club or anything that raunch, but it gave her a chance to show more skin than she had ever before. Well he asked if she could help him by tending bar for a week while one of the other girls was on her honeymoon. She told him no, but I told her she should. She was still a little self-conscious about her body even with the new breast. We were drinking wine and by the end of the night she told him yes.

I could tell she was nervous up till the first night. She came home and tried to jump me. We got out her toy and played around. She said she liked the way guys were looking at her. She said she felt sexy for the first time ever. She broke down crying and I told her it was good for her. That week went quick and she was on cloud nine. The next week she was unhappy. The next week I was begging her to go back. So she called Brent and went back.
After a couple months she started staying over from time to time to drink with some of the others after hours. Then she started having some girl’s night out. That has gotten to be a weekly thing and sometimes two or three nights. We were using the dildo together till three months ago or so.

So to wrap this long edition up, I don’t know if she is having sex. But, Jill has told me some minor things. She knows Kate has kissed a couple guys when she was *****. Danced with a lot of guys and has a crush on one of the bar tenders at a bar the girls sometimes go to after work. Jill said it is just flirting but they have kissed a couple times as she left. Nothing big, but she said it was obvious Kate liked him and even admitted it to her.

So what do I do? I want her to be happy and pretty much am good with her having sex with someone else since I can’t. Even when I could, it was hard to keep up with her. When I was younger I wouldn’t have thought that possible. How do I bring it up with her.? Do I tell Jill? How are things going to change if she says yes? Or if she says no? Just a lot of questions and fears going through my head. Does that ever get better.
 
MacNfries said:
jakeandkate4ever, well written summary of where you are in all this. Its obvious you care a lot for your wife and want to make her happy. Its also quite clear that your concern is that you'd hate to shoot yourself in the foot by making concessions for her.

You have a combination of bad situations here ... age difference, your impotence, her attractiveness to you as a "father figure", her constant ******** to young guys at bars, etc, a friend (jill) that professes to be your loyal confidante ... and probably other things as well. So, I'll say up front, with this laundry list, your relationship situation is going, and will go, through some stress.

You know, sometimes couples just don't go into relationships thinking of the "long haul" of the marriage, particularly when AGE is so much different. And, I'm not sure your impotence really makes a ultimate determination as to where all this eventually goes, anyway. She's young, she's pretty, she's highly sexed, etc etc ... so, unless there's something unusually different in your particular relationship, eventually Kate would hook up with other men anyway.

You can make concessions with her in one of two ways ... allowing her to bring male friends into your home for intimacies (safest way to maintain/reassure the relationship you have), or you can simply ok her to go OUT and have her fun, which increases the chances of her bonding with another man and ultimately jeopardizing your marriage.

Jake, you're going to become, if not already, a true cuckold ... how you handle it is up to you. However, she's eventually going to want children and a family environment, and women tend to choose their mates for pro-creating. Hope you'll continue sharing your situation with us. I enjoyed your well written overview. Mac :)


PS ... welcome to the cuckold forums. Hope some of us can give you help & support!



Thanks for the advice Macnfries. I do want to make her happy and that is the part that is ok with this happening.

I know I laid out some the stressors, but we really are close and do love each other. We enjoy out time together and have a lot of intimacy even without the sex.

I don’t think she would ever take it to that point without my consent and showing her I want her too. Its just that this isn’t a situation I have ever thought about till things started happening that opened the door.

Guys to the house with me there or taking a part is out for the current time for sure. It would be something where she could just go out to see a guy or meet up with one at a bar. I don’t know at this point what I really want. Part of the reason I posted here. Hoping to get some good advice. I feel like I have read a ton of the post already.

Thanks again Mac. I hope to get more help and support and share my direction on here.
 
You need to sit down with her and share a bottle of wine and talk openly about how you feel, so as to fill her in completely. Better to be completely honest, so if she does decide to be with other guys she won't have to hide what she gets up to. Speak from your heart so knows you love her. With some discussion, you can have sexual expression and so can she. It is like two husbands for her, you/her have your time together; then she has her time with the other husband. You don't interfere with her other marriage and he does not interfere with your marriage.

You have an advantage because you and your wife are married, so she is likely to keep you as her main squeeze if she sees continued evidence of your love for her.

Her other guy may just be a temporary until he finds someone to marry and moves out of her life. She could have an on-going flow of temporary bulls, and will go through various emotional states as she has highs and lows with them.

If she "divorces" the guy in her other "marriage", she may be depressed or pleased. But keeping two men happy can be a challenge at times.

All you can do is to continue to treat her well, and to talk to her often about your feelings and thinking patterns. She has to know whether you are regretting or coping with her attention to other men. This helps her to plan her dating agenda and decide how much of her love she can wrap around sex with other guys.
 
where do I start

Saraha said:
You need to sit down with her and share a bottle of wine and talk openly about how you feel, so as to fill her in completely. Better to be completely honest, so if she does decide to be with other guys she won't have to hide what she gets up to. Speak from your heart so knows you love her. With some discussion, you can have sexual expression and so can she. It is like two husbands for her, you/her have your time together; then she has her time with the other husband. You don't interfere with her other marriage and he does not interfere with your marriage.

You have an advantage because you and your wife are married, so she is likely to keep you as her main squeeze if she sees continued evidence of your love for her.

Her other guy may just be a temporary until he finds someone to marry and moves out of her life. She could have an on-going flow of temporary bulls, and will go through various emotional states as she has highs and lows with them.

If she "divorces" the guy in her other "marriage", she may be depressed or pleased. But keeping two men happy can be a challenge at times.

All you can do is to continue to treat her well, and to talk to her often about your feelings and thinking patterns. She has to know whether you are regretting or coping with her attention to other men. This helps her to plan her dating agenda and decide how much of her love she can wrap around sex with other guys.



How do you even start that conversation? Hey honey. I was thinking the other day and I think its time for you to go out and get a guy to screw you really good. I know you need it and I’m ok with it. Lol I say that in jest, but I really have no idea how to start that out.

I know she will have a lot of high and lows emotionally, but not sure how I can help her with it. How much should I even be involved?

Yeah I don’t know how much time would be good. I think I would rather her take the lead in all this. Not control it all, but let her go at her speed.
 
When she is feeling blue with her other significant husband, it will have some impact on your marriage, so you have to be aware it is not your fault, not something you have done. After a couple of days her mood will pick up again.

You could tell her little bits, not all at once, and make sure she is in a good mood when you do. Sometimes you seed her mind by talking about naughty stuff you have "heard" from workmates about what women (and men) are getting up to around town. She will have mind pics of what you are telling her, and as it is not about you or her, she will listen carefully to this interesting gossip you embellish to her.

It is great if she does take the lead and run with it, but she won't if she thinks it will damage her marriage. She needs to feel that she can do lots of wrong things and you will never judge her for these "lapses".
 
Saraha thanks for the advice. It is just hard to do. The only thing I did was after a great vday, I asked her if she ever missed sex. She said no but I know that is a lie. We played with some toys and she got off twice. It was pretty special.

Past that I don't know where to take it. Please advice needed.
 
So I took a big leap yesterday. We were lying in bed and I asked her what she did when her and the girls went out after work sometimes. We just go to a local bar.

Me: Well you have to do something? Are you meeting other people there? Maybe dancing? I know you love to dance.
Her: Yeah sometimes we meet different people who came in to our bar that night or friends of the girls. Sometimes we go where we can dance.

Me: So are you there meeting guys or girls or both? Do you dance with the guys or just the girls?
Her: Yeah sometimes there are guys, but it isn’t like we are hooking up with them. Well atleast not me. (She said that laughing)Yeah I have danced with both. I’m not like Sandy.


So Sandy is a friend of hers that works there. She is married, but they are separated. She is living up the single life. She has brought some of her new guy friends over to the house a few times. Plainly put she is a hoe, but Kate doesn’t care that much for her most of the time. She is just one of those life of the party type people. Fun for a while then she gets tired of her. Mitch her husband use to be our friend, but when they split we got her.

Me: So have you done anything else? Like kiss a guy or girl.
Her: (She was pretty shy at this point and I thought I was about to find out I was already a cuck.) Ok. First let me say that nothing I have ever done was meant to hurt you or meant anything. Yes I have kissed both. The girls were just off dares from the guys. Some of the guys were the same.

Me: Some of the guys?
Her: Yes. They didn’t really mean anything. I know it sounds stupid but it was just things that happened in the moment. .

Me: So they were all single incidence?
Her: All but one guy. His name is Matt and he works at one of the bars we hang out at.

Me: Do you love him?
Her: No!!! Hell no!!! I love you. Its just that it has happened more with him I guess.

Me: Is that all that happened with him? (At this point she was crying and getting harder to talk to)
Her: No. It was nothing really I swear. We just wound up together.

Me: So you had sex? (I should mention I was very monotone. I didn’t want her to think that I was mad)
Her: No! And it’s why I haven’t seen him again.

Me: So what did you do?
Her: It sounds much worse than it is. We slept together at Jill’s house. We didn’t do anything but make out and were both *****. I told him I couldn’t because I love you and that is why I haven’t been with him since.

Me: Did you want to do anything else with him?
Her: I’m not going to answer that.

Me: Why?
Her: If you were making out with a women and half naked, wouldn’t you want to do something. That doesn’t mean that you actually wanted too, but you did at the moment.

Me: So how far did it go?
Her: I want to stop.

Me: I promise if you are open with me I won’t be mad.
Her: Fine. He saw me naked when I got in a tshirt to sleep. I saw all of him. He touched me and I touched him. I didn’t suck or fuck him. We just touched for an hour or so and fell asleep. I swear

Me: If you did do something I want you to know that you can tell me and I won’t be mad. I know it has to be hard on you with me not able to do what I am suppose to.
Her: (She gave me a really weird look) Have you talked to Mitch? No I didn’t do it because I love you and that is all there is to it. Did Jill tell you about this?

Me: No. but I do want you to know I love you no matter what you have done, but I don’t like that you hid it from me.
Her: I’m sorry. I just liked going out and having fun.

Me: I don’t want you to stop, but I do want you to be honest with me.
Her: I will try.

That was huge for us and I am going to have dinner with Jill tonight to find out more I hope. I feel like I have some ammo now. Any advice.



My email is jakeandkate4ever@yahoo.com if you don't post here or would like to talk further.
 
interesting story.

me and my gf are just getting started, be fun to chat on the phone!
 
So you are on cumidin (?)
You should see a urologist. There are other solutions beyond Viagra Cialis Etc. that you can use to get an erection and have satisfying sex with your young wife. I know because I am 15 years older than my wife. I have been treated for prostate cancer and don't get normal erections, but with the prescription from my urologist, I can have a good long lasting erection and she is fine with it. You don't have to stress out about this. There are better alternatives.
Cheers, Harry
 
geordiecouple said:
interesting story.

me and my gf are just getting started, be fun to chat on the phone!
Chatting on the phone really isn't a good option for me and I want to keep my identity under wraps. But, if you want to chat via yahoo, that will be fine. I don't use that account much, but you can add me and message me when i am on.
 
Slytherin20 said:
jake are you becoming a cuck because thats the hand your dealt or because you are actually really turned on by it? i think that those two questions will result in a much different game plan for you to take.
I think it is a combination of both. I had never really thought about it before. It is a bit of a turn on, but I don't know if it would be if I was able to perform. I think it is the hand and I am making the most of it. So what should my game plan be?
 
Harry2614 said:
So you are on cumidin (?)
You should see a urologist. There are other solutions beyond Viagra Cialis Etc. that you can use to get an erection and have satisfying sex with your young wife. I know because I am 15 years older than my wife. I have been treated for prostate cancer and don't get normal erections, but with the prescription from my urologist, I can have a good long lasting erection and she is fine with it. You don't have to stress out about this. There are better alternatives.
Cheers, Harry
Harry,

Thanks for the advice. I have seen a urologist and a specialist in this area. They worked with my heart doctor to adjust the medicines. They also gave me some medicines to try. Many of the ones that people have heard of don't go well with some of the beta blockers and diaretics I have had to take since the surgery.

There is a lot more to this whole issue, but I would rather not get to deep into it. i do appreciate your advice though. Thanks!
 
jakeandkate4ever said:
Harry,

Thanks for the advice. I have seen a urologist and a specialist in this area. They worked with my heart doctor to adjust the medicines. They also gave me some medicines to try. Many of the ones that people have heard of don't go well with some of the beta blockers and diaretics I have had to take since the surgery.

There is a lot more to this whole issue, but I would rather not get to deep into it. i do appreciate your advice though. Thanks!

Jake: Well and good, I have a friend that is in much the same condition after heart surgery, and he is equally concerned about it. Is there any professional opinion that it will get better? Meanwhile, since your wife seems not to interested in "going all the way" with her friend, I would suggest giving her a lot more "loving" attention and for you to get very good at oral sex. That's better than just "giving her away to another guy" and all that that may eventually lead to.
I hope all goes well for both of you. Cheers, Harry
 
Harry2614 said:
Jake: Well and good, I have a friend that is in much the same condition after heart surgery, and he is equally concerned about it. Is there any professional opinion that it will get better? Meanwhile, since your wife seems not to interested in "going all the way" with her friend, I would suggest giving her a lot more "loving" attention and for you to get very good at oral sex. That's better than just "giving her away to another guy" and all that that may eventually lead to.
I hope all goes well for both of you. Cheers, Harry
They just told me as new medicines come out there maybe things we can try, but with some of the other issues I have they don't feel that the chances are high. But they told us to never give up hope.

She says I am good at it. I woiuld never just give her away. I love her way to much for that.
 
Well when the ball gets rolling it goes quickly. So I had dinner with Jill. She had talked with Kate. She started by apologizing for not telling me about what happened at her house. She swore she didn’t know they were going to kiss and play around. She thought he was going to leave after she went to bed with her guy. She swore up and down that was all they did and she knew from both of them.

She asked if I had heard from Mitch, Sandy’s husband. Yeah he emailed me about a week or so ago to get together. She assumed we talked and just started talking about their situation. They are in an open relationship and not separated. Mitch is having problems in the bedroom, but the twist is everything started when Sandy found out he was having “an emotional affair”. She had to explain that one to me.

Apparently he pulled away when he couldn’t perform and devoted his attention to a lady he works with. Sandy found the emails and started going out and getting laid after a while. They sat down one night when they were both tired of how things were going. After the talk they decided to stay together but still see others. Sandy was going to tell Mitch to bring it up to me so maybe Jill could go out and enjoy herself. Mitch’s condition was brought on by medication as well.

Jill figured that is why I brought up the conversation the other day. She said Kate thought the same and was positive she couldn’t handle it. She loves me too much and would never want me being with someone else even if it is just emotional. She admitted that she thought Kate did want the other.

After a little bit she asked me what I would do if Kate slept with someone. I told her the truth I didn’t know what I would do. That was the end of it. She told me if I needed to talk she was there and she would be honest with me and make sure I wasn’t in the dark again.

So do I tell her anything? If so what?
 
Having lunch with Mitch tomorrow. Not sure what I am going to say. Hope it goes well. Any suggestions.
 
I had a long lunch with Mitch. I put it in as a work lunch and we took about two hours. For the first bit it was all about catching up. I told him we were sorry about not getting with him. He understood that he would lose some people with what was going on with him and Sandy. Then when our meal got there he dropped the bomb on me. I will do my best to convey the conversation.

Mitch: So I don’t know if Kate told you about a conversation she had with Sandy, but I think they wanted us to talk about some things that are going on with me mainly I guess. You know I take some of the same medicine as you for my heart right.
Me: Yeah I knew that and that you were seeing Dr. K….

Mitch: Well when the girls were talking they figured out that we are having some of the same side effects. I haven’t had a good woody in over two years. How about you?
Me: Not since I started on the drug.

Mitch: I’m not sure how you and Kate are handling it but it was horrible for us. After a few months we stopped talking and then I started having an emotional affair with a women. Sandy found out and admitted that she was having an affair. It was really the first time we had talked since it all started. We opened up about what we were going through. We should have done it early one. We hurt each other for a while, but now things are much, much better.
Me: How so?

Mitch: Well for one we both admitted we needed something more. We made a few agreements. She sees guys, but doesn’t get to have any type of emotional affair. Usually it is casual dating or just sex with guys she meets. As for me, I can’t have physical contact of a sexual nature.
Me: So you are ok with that deal.

Mitch: For a while. Then after we talked our relationship got better. Three months ago I stopped going out with the other women. Sandy is still going out with guys, but she is taking care of me now in the emotional department. So how are you guys handling it?
Me: Well we have some toys and that seems to be working.

Mitch: Well its working for you. Right?
Me:Yes

Mitch: I don’t know if you know, but your wife is kind of stepping out. From what Sandy told me, she isn’t having sex with anyone. One guy she has messed around with is going to meet up with them this weekend. It’s not a date, but they are pretty much going to be a couple with the others.
Me: Really. How did you find this out?

Mitch: Sandy has a big mouth. She had been trying to get them together. I told her she needed to talk to you and Kate before. Kate is pretty shy about this and not sure what she wants. She keeps pushing things, but will not let it get past a certain point. Would you be ok with her taking it further?
Me: I don’t know.

Mitch: Well if they are asking me to talk with you, then my guess is she wants something more, but it is up to you. She loves you no doubt. If you ever need to talk, let me know.
Me: Ok thanks

Yeah for the most part I didn’t know what to say. A lot of stuff going on and I still haven’t gotten my head around it
 
What are Mitch & Sandy's ages? I suppose they are closer to the same age than You and Kate. It's interesting for you to have a close male friend with a condition that has similar side effects as you. You two can 'brainstorm' together on how to deal with this.
Cheers, Harry
 
Harry2614 said:
What are Mitch & Sandy's ages? I suppose they are closer to the same age than You and Kate. It's interesting for you to have a close male friend with a condition that has similar side effects as you. You two can 'brainstorm' together on how to deal with this.
Cheers, Harry
They are in their early 30s. You would be amazed at how many men will tell you about their health problems when they feel comfortable and know that you have something wrong as well. I had a problem with my prostate right after I turned 40. Well with in a month I knew about 10 guys that had either gone through it or were dealing with something similar. It was the first time I knew any man that admitted he was impotent. We have talked since and no his wife doesn't cheat on him.
 
Mitch emailed me this morning and wants to get together tonight. I got an email from Jill this morning. It is my update to this point. Still not sure what to do. A big part of me wants her to go ahead and see if it is the way she wants to go.

To: jakeandkate4ever@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:54 AM
Subject: Hey
Ok I promise I didn’t know what Sandy was up too. I’m not sure Kate did either. Anyway, I told you I would be honest and let you know what I knew was going on. I went by to see Kate as she was getting off work. She told me Friday night she was going out with Sandy and some guys. She said Sandy set her up with this guy, Matt. He is the guy she messed around with at my house.
Anyway, she had a really good time. Sandy got her and Matt to go with her and her boyfriend to eat and then they went dancing. After that they went back to Sandy’s place. They had been drinking so they wore it off there. He then brought her home. She was worried you would see him walk her to the door. He kissed her and asked her to go out next week. Now this is what she told me.
Tonight he showed up with Sandy after her shift. She didn’t know and I could tell she was surprised. They all hung out with us and they kept whispering to each other. It was nothing more than kissing. This I know.
Sandy confirmed last night as well. She said Matt was really in to her. I don’t know what you are going to do, but I think she wants to go out with him. You know I am here for you and will support what ever you want to do. I just don’t want something to happen and you regret not knowing everything beforehand.
Text me if you want to chat. I am here for you pooh.
 

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