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Psychology of a Cuckold

  • Thread starterDoc in Cleveland
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  • #261
Doc in Cleveland said:
Very insightful, Custer. Thank you for your input.

You're welcome...

Doc in Cleveland said:
Along with the previous situation, here's another situation I felt was significant: In a cuckold relationship in Midlands Texas, it was reported that the female only allowed the cuckolded male an orgasm in public places. A park, a public bathroom, a movie theater, etc.

That's very creative... I like it. It would seem to be further evidence of the almost unlimited number of ways in which a thoughtful married woman can sexually humiliate her cuckold. It would also seem to be further evidence of how strong the inclination of a cuckolded husband can be to accept and, indeed, revel in sexual humiliation by his wife.

Doc in Cleveland said:
Also, I picked up a term I thought informative. When a wife and her bull make love in the wife's marital bed, and the husband is subsequently ****** to sleep in the wet spot created by the bull, this is called "mudding." I had not heard that. —Doc

I've been following this forum since 2006, and I haven't seen "mudding" used with that definition or in any other way either. I tried googling various permutations of "cuckold mudding," but that definition did not come up.

In any event, that word seems neither erotic nor appropriately descriptive. If I had to make up a word for a married woman forcing her cuckold to sleep in the wet spot just created by her and her lover, it would probably be something like "creaming." As in, one of a woman's friends saying to another: "Shaharazod creamed her cuckold last night" (followed by both giggling).
 
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Custer Laststand said:
In any event, that word seems neither erotic nor appropriately descriptive. If I had to make up a word for a married woman forcing her cuckold to sleep in the wet spot just created by her and her lover, it would probably be something like "creaming." As in, one of a woman's friends saying to another: "Shaharazod creamed her cuckold last night" (followed by both giggling)

Yeah, I like your word better, Custer. There was a series of comments made and I asked, "What's mudding?" and it was explained to me. So, I felt appropriately condescended to and was hoping I could prevent somebody else experiencing that feeling of "outside the knowledge circle; stupidity".

Mac will like this one I wrote down ..

Before the wife goes out on a date with her boyfriend, sometimes the cuckoldress will acquiesce and give her husband oral sex. But instead of swallowing, the female will pull the husband out of her mouth and have him shoot on her face. She then rubs this in to her facial skin.

This is called "putting on her makeup" before a cuckold date.

That was a new one to me, as well. And I felt appropriately stupid that I had no knowledge of it.

Doc

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  • #263
duke9555 said:
Mudding is when a white person has sex with a
black person .....Nostalgie de le boue
I honestly never thought of "mudding" as anything other than...



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  • #264
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Ha! I like it, Angevin!

That picture somehow made sense to me.

The truck .. the water .. it seemed about right.

Doc

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  • #266
rofl I honestly never liked any of the words involved in this they are almost all sort of put offish to me, I just understand that women have sexual fantasies and needs too and think it's okay to explore them sometimes. Even the word Cuckold has always been too derogatory for me sometimes, to me it has nothing to do with being a wimp or whatever it's roleplay understanding other sexualities becoming closer etc etc et al, I want a more noble title, totally serious, I dunno "lucky guy" lol or "Understanding husband" (those kind of suck) but some will get the point, language matters it affects how you think, derogatory words don't do it for me on a daily basis I don't want a woman I am with thinking I'm a looser because I can take pleasure from her pleasure
 
  • #267
Custer Laststand said:
Doc,



Most likely, they are not “gay.” More likely… actually, much more likely… they are bisexual.


According to Baker (1996), a similar percentage of the female population at large is lesbian but the percentage is less by about 1 percentage point. He doesn't say much about the percentage of lesbians who, in reality, are bisexual — maybe the surveys necessary to differentiate that hadn't been done at the time he wrote his book. My guess would be, the above is more-or-less symmetrical with respect to women (but I don’t know that).

—Custer

I agree with Baker on much

But here is the throw for me on the whole subject

In the last 2 decades simply because "Men" find it erotic the majority of young women now practice sex with other women. I wouldn't even want to argue into numbers but having periodically worked at night clubs over the last 20 years as an evening job, well that number is at least half to 75% of young women who will do erotic things with other women.

So by the numbers to me this is Learned Behavior the overcoming of hangups etc, etc, I certainly wouldn't label most of these girls Lesbian or Bisexual

Like wise look at porn numbers, Interracial and Shemale are top 5 very often and mostly men watch porn, Penthouse letters I believe which lets face it is 90% cuckold fantasy is also top of the heap in sales and all porn is Other Men having sex with women you would like to have sex with and all involves looking at relatively well endowed guys doing what you'd like to be doing

By that nature are then most people Bisexual or just Sexual?

To me these labels come from sexual insecurity and hangups again truely bisexual to me would mean not having partaken in same sex sex but rather being able to be in a relationship with the same sex and those numbers would fit Bakers thoughts but certainly shouldn't include the majority of guys who are voyeuristic like myself, willing to as Kinsey put it in the movie see their wife enjoy sex simply for HER pleasure or maybe got a handjob in college or whatever I just can't classify that as actual Bisexuality

Sometimes I think on some level women being able to have threesomes ffm and all the rest and no one runs around calling them Lesbians and or bisexual and yet men doing the same thing and get called "FAG" has a lot more to do with Empathy being a power base for women and on some level many women simply don't want men developing skills that give them an edge in relationships where they already have physical strengths it's an equalizer for women so to speak and unconsciously perhaps they don't want to loose that edge but in a world where physical prowess means nothing and in fact can be a legal liability for men we are just now entering their territory

I see dominance and submission and a society where women have the power base in the sexual realm and not much more, go back to ancient Greece no one called men who had sex with other men occasionally Gay or Bi, things like the straight edge razor to shave those legs, lingerie and makeup were likely for the wealthy only and most women were on the bottom of the sexual power base having a mustache a such lol, women doing anything sexually aside from being Mounted like a Dothraki slave girl for her husband surely had all sorts of labels and punishments, likewise today the same applies to men. Step out of line to your woman you will PAY.

The labeling the name calling obviously applies to ONE sex only on these topics Gay BI? That label has quite a power over men and none what so ever to women to me it's a locus of control not a reality to the majority. LEARNING to have fun with actuality of the power structure in sexuality in the world your stuck living in is more what any of this is than a commentary on peoples sexuality
 
  • #268
Some comments on statistics vis-a-vis female bisexuality...

subd said:
In the last 2 decades simply because "men" find it erotic....

How do you know this is the reason? Or that 20 years is the time period?

subd said:
...the majority of young women now practice sex with other women. I wouldn't want to argue numbers, but having periodically worked at night clubs over the last 20 years as an evening job... well... the numbers are, at least half to 75% of young women will do erotic things with other women.

This assertion implies you did accurate surveys, but that would have precluded doing your nightclub job so you probably didn't. Accurate surveys would have required you to count the number of women who came in each evening and were actually in the club (i.e., didn't depart); have a method for recognizing them as individuals (to avoid double-counting); reliably count how many actually had sex with other women while in the club (as opposed to hugging or touching in other ways — most women, like most men, don't have sex in public), etc. Thus, your "statistics" are highly suspect, at best.

Also, your "statistics" are strongly dependent on the kind of night clubs you worked in, since different kinds of clubs attract different kinds of women and men. Were they strip clubs? Bars with live music and dancing but no stripping? Bars that served liquor but no dancing and no stripping?

subd said:
So by the numbers, to me this is learned behavior or the overcoming of hangups etc. I certainly wouldn't label most of these girls lesbian or bisexual.

How do you know what their background is, and whether their behavior is "learned" or "hereditary"? And, why not? What's the matter with being lesbian or bisexual (or transgendered, for that matter)?

Here's an example that shows your "statistics" are almost-certainly badly skewed. At a local strip club I frequent with some regularity, a woman I had become friends with mentioned to me, probably about 1-1/2 years ago, that "90% of the strip dancers there are bisexual." I interpreted that as meaning she thought a substantial percentage of them were, not actually 90%. She went on to say a fair amount of cunilingus (by the strip dancers, of each other) goes on in their dressing room between dances.

Later, I quoted the "90% comment" to another strip dancer I had become friends with and asked her if she would agree with that. There was a long pause... I could see the gears turning in her head. Finally, she said: "Not 90%. Three or four of them are." That would be roughly 20 to 25 (or perhaps 30)%. (The number of women who dance there varies through time.)

Twenty to thirty percent — let alone 90% — of the dancers in a strip club being bisexual is, needless to say, far and away greater than the approximately 3% of the female population at large being "lesbian" — presumably most of them actually bisexual — stated by Baker (1996).

But, did I conclude Baker is wrong and "twenty to thirty percent" of the female population is, in reality, bisexual? No, of course not. The high percentage in my local strip club — and in other strip clubs, presumably — is caused by that being a place where women who are attracted to women can be sexually turned on much or most of the time (since all of them are scantily-dressed, and sometimes nude), and where they can act on their feelings of being turned on (by having woman-to-woman sex in the dressing room, between dances).

In my local strip club, it's not unusual at all to see women who have come in by themselves or in groups of two or three, who — when a stripper is pole dancing — are obviously turned on by that, and the pole dancers respond accordingly. I once asked one of the strip dancers if those women (who come into the club as customers, without men) are lesbians or bisexual. She said, "yes." But, that doesn't imply anything about the female population at large. Rather, it implies bisexual (and exclusive lesbian) women are concentrated in the club because of the nature of the place.
 
  • #269
I do agree that this is a fascinating field of study: the "Why" of wife-sharing. We men who are willing to share our wives' naked bodies with other men are probably the least understood of any group anywhere.

But, I feel that in every case, there has been previous experiences which have driven him to this point. These probably could not have been avoided, and they certainly cannot be easily explained away or eliminated.

I am somewhat aware of the chain of events which led me to the point where I am willing for other men to fuck my wife. It was a long and torturous journey which I would not have willingly chosen, but now that it has happened, I will admit that I am glad that it did.
 
  • #270
MacNfries said:

Note that 9 million is about 3% of the U.S. population, which is close to 300 million.

Note also that if the "9 million" figure pertains to people who are more-or-less "adults within sexually active age range" — that is, if infants, pre-pubescent children and young teenagers without sufficient sexual experience to define them as "gay, bisexual, or transgendered," and the elderly — are excluded, and if the remaining U.S. population is arbitrarily assumed to be on the order of 200 million, then 9 million would be roughly 4.5%.
 
  • #271
1: How do you know this is the reason? Or that 20 years is the time period?

I am simply old enough to recall with absolute clarity where and when the "lipstick lesbian" phenomena entered the mainstream and this would be of course the Howard Stern Radio show... prior to that this wasn't media or social friendly behavior in America, while Howard began his tirade well before 20 years ago it took some time to truly capture porn and become typical club or frat house behavior for young women while all behaviors have always existed certainly it was not common socially accepted behavior until such time

2: This assertion implies you did accurate surveys...

There is no need for an accurate survey, one simply needs to walk outside, I certainly am not including "strip clubs" in my analysis this is as simple as saying "in america men greet by shaking hands" you can go to any bar anywhere in any state or any other realm that is not highly conservative in regards to "hooking up" and you will very rarely if ever encounter Men that identify as being "straight" dancing with other men, or kissing another man in order to attract the opposite sex and surely it doesn't need to be said that if you were to employ this method in a "hetero" identifying crowd the tactic would range from achieving something that ranges from social banishment to perhaps a straight up beat down... while in the same "hetero" identifying crowd women will be met with a range of behaviors from applause to lust and certainly gain mostly positive attention, this is not just observation this is a universal norm, I have not been out a night in years and not seen such behavior while in those same circumstances I don't think I have ever once seen men even attempt this... while experimentation may in reality be just as common few men will dare speak of it publicly or admit to it

I would say to prove my point... when was he last time two guys went out to a "straight identifying" club and said on the way in the door... "let's grind the chicks will all dig us" the answer would surely be virtually never

what is one of the most common themes in these forums?

"How do I get her to...."

No one is posting about, How do I get my girl to have a 3some with another girl because the reality is if one girl friend won't the next one will, however MMF in which there is contact between men? This is an obviously difficult thing for men with that fantasy to make happen most agree most stories in here are Fantasy and we know this because it's difficult to make happen it's not socially acceptable the way female Female sex for experimentation or variety is you never see forums with questions like "My girlfriend kissed another girl I think she is a Lesbian"... I mean it's out there but come on... in what frequency? Research? no need, this is as true as white people need sunscreen in the desert
 
  • #272
Custer Laststand said:
Note that 9 million is about 3% of the U.S. population, which is close to 300 million.

Note also that if the "9 million" figure pertains to people who are more-or-less "adults within sexually active age range" — that is, if infants, pre-pubescent children and young teenagers without sufficient sexual experience to define them as "gay, bisexual, or transgendered," and the elderly — are excluded, and if the remaining U.S. population is arbitrarily assumed to be on the order of 200 million, then 9 million would be roughly 4.5%.

And that just nutshells it for me personally, 4.5 Million, sounds Accurate

If every person who ever has thoughts, fantasies or experiences was classified as bi then we'd virtually all be bi, personally I think the Gay movement in America would love that classification for reasons of acceptance but to me it's not a all real. I identify my orientation by who I fall in Love with, I can't fall in Love with both sexes a cool breeze on my pecker can give me a hardon but that doesn't make me wind-sexual it makes me highly sexual but I don't look into the wind and fall in Love and want to spoon.

I've role played since I was a kid, highly imaginative I act, I write i can be who I wish to be for the moment and get pleasure from that I think it enhances me as a human being I am not an Orc, I don't live in Medieval times lol and I am no More Homosexual or bisexual if I can assume a submissive or feminine role by my nature than I am those things, I personally think questioning ones sexuality based on such things is a road to ruination and psychological disease and this horrible thing applies mainly to men in our culture not women from a strictly sexual standpoint then perhaps we are all bisexual but I have lots of fantasies and have enjoyed lots of things, when I look at a guy and want to be with him and look in his eyes forever i'll enter that realm of sexual doubt, until then cuckold stuff aside i'm hetero sexual because I see a Woman per hr i'll pull a Leanardo Dicaprio for but I'll kick a dude right off that same floating wardrobe

Purely my opinion of course and the above is in macabre humor, none the less, I do resent the double standards, dislike the labeling and see the whole thing as fairly simple... you want to cuddle with which sex? you'd give your life for who? who do you Love? The rest to me is mind games
 

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