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Hormones for Hubby?

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Lisa.Dom said:
I am considering putting my husband on hormones. We both think it would be nice for his breasts to be enlarged so that his nipples are more sensitive, and he has more reason to wear the sports bra he sometimes wears now. While I will listen to my hubby's opinions, (he's all for it) the final decision is mine. Any suggestions?

Since the entire male physiology requires certain levels of testosterone just to stay healthing and keep functioning properly, the idea of altering this balance could have extreme long-term implications - everything from lowering general immunity to imparing the functioning of the liver and other major organs. If he's "all for it", he and you should check with a number of sources for medical / health information. You both might find yourselves shocked by what you'll learn - shocked enough to forget the whole things.
As for sex changes specifically, the jury's still out concerning how safe such drastic procedures are and how much they may shorten the lifespan of the individual who undergoes them. Not that this matters very much in our "anything for a dollar" society! If someone wants something done to themselves, there will always be someone out there who will do it for them....for a price...ALWAYS for a price and regardless of how dangerous it might ultimately be to the customer.
 
Hormones

JulieIsMe said:
Since the entire male physiology requires certain levels of testosterone just to stay healthing and keep functioning properly, the idea of altering this balance could have extreme long-term implications - everything from lowering general immunity to imparing the functioning of the liver and other major organs. If he's "all for it", he and you should check with a number of sources for medical / health information. You both might find yourselves shocked by what you'll learn - shocked enough to forget the whole things.
As for sex changes specifically, the jury's still out concerning how safe such drastic procedures are and how much they may shorten the lifespan of the individual who undergoes them. Not that this matters very much in our "anything for a dollar" society! If someone wants something done to themselves, there will always be someone out there who will do it for them....for a price...ALWAYS for a price and regardless of how dangerous it might ultimately be to the customer.

Yes Lisa, you'd have to accept that without testosterone your hubby wouldn't be able to get an erection or be able to orgasm.

I just got my hormone profile from my doctor yesterday. My balls now only produce 0.2 testosterone, when normal is seen to be 10-30! so I'm producing less than 1% of the male hormones I should be. This also means the oestrogen my balls is producing has no antagonist hormone to reduce the effects of that oestrogen on my body. As a result I haven't had an erection in 18 months and can't give myself an orgasm, though I do still get female style orgasms on thoughts alone. My balls are producing 50-100 times the oestrogen they are producing testosterone.
 
Again, thank you for the advise. I have pretty much given up the idea of using hormones on him.

A little background might help. When we were first married he kept on saying how pretty my panties were. We got into a discussion, and I asked him if he wanted to wear some. He stuttered and said no, but it was obvious that he wanted to wear panties. I bought him some nylon panties in his size and put them in his dresser "by mistake", and then did not wash the rest of his underwear so that wearing the panties was his only choice. To make a long story short, he wears panties all the time. Let me know if you want to hear more!
 
Go for implants instead, so he really has a rack to be proud of?
 
Yes Lisa

Lisa.Dom said:
Again, thank you for the advise. I have pretty much given up the idea of using hormones on him.

A little background might help. When we were first married he kept on saying how pretty my panties were. We got into a discussion, and I asked him if he wanted to wear some. He stuttered and said no, but it was obvious that he wanted to wear panties. I bought him some nylon panties in his size and put them in his dresser "by mistake", and then did not wash the rest of his underwear so that wearing the panties was his only choice. To make a long story short, he wears panties all the time. Let me know if you want to hear more!

I would like to hear more and in particular how do you feel as his wife about him wearing panties, plus cotton panties are much healthier than nylon ones!
Do you mention to others than he is wearing panties when you socialise?
 
LLC, Thanks for the feedback. While we know that cotton is healthier, I like the sheer nylon panties on him! The fact that he only wears panties is not a topic we bring up much, but a number of our friends know. Particularly the women that, like me are the head of their household. In several cases, their husbands wear panties - not necessarily all the time.

The first time he wore the panties, I made sure he knew that I was well aware that he was wearing panties. He blushed. I asked if he liked them. He tentatively nodded. He wore only panties for the next few days. I reminded him at every opportunity that he was wearing some pretty panties. After a week, I aked "Do you want to make this permanent?" As usual, he could not decide. I finally said "OK, I'm decidoing for you - no more male underware in this house, and cut to shreads his male underwaer. I then told him that he would have to pick out and buy his nylon panties. He enjoys being in panties!
 
Hmmm such a wife!

Lisa.Dom said:
LLC, Thanks for the feedback. While we know that cotton is healthier, I like the sheer nylon panties on him! The fact that he only wears panties is not a topic we bring up much, but a number of our friends know. Particularly the women that, like me are the head of their household. In several cases, their husbands wear panties - not necessarily all the time.

The first time he wore the panties, I made sure he knew that I was well aware that he was wearing panties. He blushed. I asked if he liked them. He tentatively nodded. He wore only panties for the next few days. I reminded him at every opportunity that he was wearing some pretty panties. After a week, I aked "Do you want to make this permanent?" As usual, he could not decide. I finally said "OK, I'm decidoing for you - no more male underware in this house, and cut to shreads his male underwaer. I then told him that he would have to pick out and buy his nylon panties. He enjoys being in panties!

Oh that's very different and if it's your choice then it's right that he wears what you want. Have you had him try microfibre? They feel so good and are so comfortable for all day wear! Sort of go see through too when wet with precum or cum!

I'm pleased you share this in particular with your Femdom friends and they know how your husband dresses to please you. I know I'd enjoy so much obeying a woman like you.

LLC
 

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lifelong cuck said:
Yes Lisa, you'd have to accept that without testosterone your hubby wouldn't be able to get an erection or be able to orgasm.

I just got my hormone profile from my doctor yesterday. My balls now only produce 0.2 testosterone, when normal is seen to be 10-30! so I'm producing less than 1% of the male hormones I should be. This also means the oestrogen my balls is producing has no antagonist hormone to reduce the effects of that oestrogen on my body. As a result I haven't had an erection in 18 months and can't give myself an orgasm, though I do still get female style orgasms on thoughts alone. My balls are producing 50-100 times the oestrogen they are producing testosterone.

But did your physician explain the potential health dangers from your testosterone level being so low?
 
Testosterone supplementation

JulieIsMe said:
But did your physician explain the potential health dangers from your testosterone level being so low?

I am fully aware of problems Julie and why I have been on testosterone supplementation for 8 years. Hormone profiles can differentiate between natural hormones produced within the body and those injected. So my doctor can see how much is being produced by my testes and how much from injection.

Secondly, only natural testosterone is also in the form of DHT which counteracts oestrogen. Injected testosterone actually causes the testes to produce additional oestrogen as a balancing measure.

But I do thank you for your concern Julie.
LLC :)
 
Estrogen can be introduced in 3ways. The easiest but lowest dosage is by eating estrogen rich foods. Estrogen rich foods are also a means of retaining an estrogen source once the switch to an estrogen metabolism by a stronger dosage has taken place. These include such stables as rye bread, dark greens like spinach and soy based products like tofu.. Estrogen rich foods do not shut down his testosterone drive but does make it less disruptive and more manageable.

Estrogen rich foods are not sufficient to switch from a testosterone metabolism to an estrogen one. The testicles will continue to dominate his actions, (and brain) no matter how much tofu he eats. To make a conversion which tames his testosterone metabolism it is necessary to overwhelm testes dominance and their testosterone production.

Testosterone production can be shut down in as little as 3 months with 50mg, 2 times a day with a drug called Androcur which is cyproterone acetate also known as Cyproterone and Siterone. This is not a prescription drug and can be obtained over the internet. The result of taking this drug is rapid chemical castration. This method of shutting down testosterone should only be employed if there is an extreme need. Like the spayed Tom cat he no longer “sprays” and is content to sit by the fire.
Instead of simply shutting down his testosterone it is better to redirect his metabolism toward feminism by estrogen.

You can obtain estrogen by medical prescription with drugs which use animal estrogen. These can be very dangerous. There are, however, numerous herbal products. Animal estrogen is available only through doctors. There are major drawbacks of using prescription estrogen. It cost more, requires a doctor and is much more dangerous. There are numerous studies showing women who take animal source estrogen have higher levels of breast and lung cancer.

While doctor proscribed animal source estrogens and testosterone inhibitors are stronger the end result using the herbal method is much the same. Herbal hormones are gentler, less invasive, safer, and allow you more flexibility to determine the extent of feminization you desire him to achieve.

To feminize you introduce estrogen and at the same time decrease his testosterone. Feminizing hormone therapy using herbs is generally safe but a doctor’s supervision is appropriate if health issues are present. Make sure you understand side effects and use according to his other health needs if there are specific health issues.

Naturally herbal occurring forms of estrogen and other female hormones are available over-the-counter and through the internet. These contain plant extracts which induce male feminization. A number of plants contain substances which stimulate a woman's (and therefore a man's) natural production of estrogen. Others are anti-androgenic and shut down or inhibit testosterone production. The most important contain estrogen-like substances known as phyto-estrogens. Taken over time they switch his body from testosterone dominated to estrogen oriented.

Estrogen isn't the only female hormone. Progesterone is another and there are herbs which inhibit male testosterone but for discussion here the term estrogen applies to all. Herbal estrogen treatment works best by use of phyto-estrogens with progesterone. Herbs which produce the estrogen effect are many. Common ones available at any health food store are red clover, black cohash, and wild yam. Simply type in herbal feminization or herbal male feminization on Google to learn the herbs available and then develop the appropriate cocktail for his feminization. There are also many companies producing specialized cocktails for breast enhancement and at least one is producing a tablet specifically for male feminization.


Testosterone levels peak during a male's early twenties. Around seventy, testosterone production ceases and testicular atrophy takes place naturally. Between age 50 and 70 there is a natural decline which accelerates with time. The introduction of estrogen starts a similar process, however, if introduced before puberty the result is not just testicular atrophy but also a transformation to female characteristics similar to those developed by a girl. Estrogen introduction prior to puberty results in true feminine post puberty development except for the gentiles and even these are profoundly influenced by never developing. Skin, fat and hair of males follow the development trend of a girl. Before puberty boys and girls are both sensitive to estrogen in a similar manner.

After puberty, male estrogen response is similar to that experienced by girls at puberty, however, the reaction is muted and male characteristics no longer reversible remain male even if “softened”.

Changes of breast size, skin texture, fat distribution, physical strength and emotional response occur and are permanent over time. Feminization influence varies due to personal factors and by dosage administered. There is, however, little difference in the level of feminization achieved over time if the program is maintained at a dosage level sufficient to overcome and shut down his testosterone production while producing estrogen. It is best to go slow with a safe dosage as the end remains the same if continued and the risks are less. In short, do not overdose to speed the process. Feminizing him simply takes time.

The male, after puberty, maintains his sexual characteristics by balancing testosterone, and estrogen production. Males like females produce estrogen, just not very much. What is produced is over whelmed by testosterone. Changing the balance causes tissues supported by testosterone to stop functioning and those supported by estrogen to develop and begin functioning. Once the hormone engine is reversed the body re-programs and switches to an estrogen dominated mode. Blood testosterone levels decline due to lack of production while estrogen levels rise. The process influences the entire body, including his brain and testicles.

The male body even as it redefines, however, has been in place since puberty and changes are limited to characteristics which can be influenced after puberty. Due to testosterone’s influence during puberty, many male characteristics are hormonally irreversible. Height, hands and feet, as well as facial bones are male imprinted and cannot be altered. Male tissue response to estrogen also is not as efficient as for the genetic female. Changes which do occur, however, are significant.

Hormonal feminization with herbs takes about three years to complete like puberty but testosterone’s past influence needs to be overcome. Overcoming testosterone’s influence increases feminization time while limiting the extent of achievement. Results vary by genetics, diet, and lifestyle. Some experience advancement almost immediately. Others experience little for the first few months and then experience a sudden burst of change. Steady intake of estrogen over time, however, causes eventual discernable permanent results. Estrogen’s effects during the first few months of application are reversible but after the third or fourth month changes start to become permanent. After 4 months you are assured each step change is permanent and if he back slides what has been accomplished is achieved.


Estrogen’s most direct change is male libido decline. This is caused by testosterone replacement with estrogen. It is testosterone which stimulates nocturnal penile tumescence, spontaneous erections and male sexual activity in general. This results in the male need for periodic ejaculation one way or another. Due to the influence of estrogen, the testes' production of testosterone and sperm almost ceases if maintained for years. Sex drive changes to the female response. Male dominating sexual activity eventually is not possible due to the inability of his penis to be rigid enough for vaginal penetration. After six months erections and ejaculations take longer to achieve. This effect is cumulative; the longer estrogen is applied, the more difficult to function sexually as a male.

Penile size diminishes along with reduced rigidity. Erections continue but are smaller, more infrequent, of shorter duration, only semi-erect and eventually even though stimulated and enlarged are too limp for vaginal penetration. His ejaculate lessens until it becomes a minor discharge of sticky clear liquid which dribbles and sputters instead of being a volcanic eruption. The ejaculate once fully feminized is limited to what the prostate produces without semen or sperm. Estrogen results in infertility. Inability to achieve or maintain an erection for vaginal penetration means this is a permanent de-cocking.

Feminizing with estrogen is, in effect, hormonal castration. Impotency and sterility are irreversible. Hormonal estrogen castration, once fully accomplished, removes 98% of testes testosterone production. This shut down of his testes and resulting testosterone reduction influences his entire body. Once this occurs the penis is sexually satisfied in a manner similar to your clitoris. It enlarges, feels pleasure with rubbing, reaches orgasm but does not ejaculate semen. He experiences a female orgasm and can immediately repeat sexual performance until fully sated with a type of prostrate ejaculation which is a full body experience instead of the normal male penis ejaculate oriented orgasm.

Breast development begins after a few months but takes three years or longer to complete. First the breasts bud out with enlargement starting around and behind the areolas. This area slowly fills and expands with fatty tissue. During this process they are sensitive to bumping or touching as when you were developing. Growth spurts, sputters and temporarily stops but resumes until full development. This change is accompanied with breast tenderness, tingling and even possible minor nipple discharge.
 
Breast development begins after a few months but takes three years or longer to complete. First the breasts bud out with enlargement starting around and behind the areolas. This area slowly fills and expands with fatty tissue. During this process they are sensitive to bumping or touching as when you were developing. Growth spurts, sputters and temporarily stops but resumes until full development. This change is accompanied with breast tenderness, tingling and even possible minor nipple discharge.

No matter the estrogen source, however, very few males achieve "C" bra cup status. Expect at most, one cup size less than his immediate female family members. Most bud out to an “A”. A few develop ”B” cup status after 3 years. Nipple enlargement is also less than for a woman. While the areolas increases in size, the nipples become erect and color reddens these changes peak out less than for a woman. After three months ducts behind the nipples develop like a teenage girl but then this stops and the ability to create milk never occurs. Future growth is instead the result of fatty tissue creation or its re-distribution from other parts of the body not duct development. The noticeable tingling or aching during growth lessens over time and disappears once breast development is complete.

Physiologically estrogen and its allied hormones include development of adipose tissue and re-distribution of subcutaneous fat to create an image which defines general female versus male shape. His upper body muscle mass shrinks. Although the skeleton frame does not change the decrease of muscle mass assists in changing the profile to look more female. Hips, thighs and buttocks benefit from re-distribution while the waist gives up fat. The result of re-distribution is a smaller waist but larger hips. After three years subcutaneous fat has been re-distributed and muscle mass has shrunk permanently.

There is a distinct change in emotional responses to stimuli which initially may be unpleasant. This is due to confusion as the brain becomes like other parts of the body feminized. Initially this may result in mild depression and mood swings. After the shift becomes more advanced he is more empathic and emotional. Spatial skills decrease and there is greater passivity with aggressive and competitive traits diminishing.


Once these changes take place you can’t reverse his mental and emotional orientation. His mind is rewired by estrogen. After the confusion stage he will settle down and accept a semi-feminized status and seek to enhance it.

Body hair lessens while head hair gets fuller but face hair remains as does the need to shave and he is still going to need a body hair depletive. Balding is arrested and head hair texture improves. Arm, leg, abdomen, chest and shoulder hair lightens. The effects also include softening of the skin. The extent of enhancement, however, is limited and he will continue to have body hair and need to shave daily. The depth in pitch and resonance of his voice are unaffected by hormone therapy.
 
Elizabeth, thank you for an excellent description of the process and it's dangers. Feminization is not something to enter into without serious consideration of the long term effects.

I am sixteen months into a herbal transformation and have experienced much of what you talked about. When I started I had no idea of the permanent changes that would occur. Fortunately I am enjoying the changes to both my body and emotions!
 
Susan's Slave, can you share with us details of the herbal treatment you are using: what kinds, quantity, results and how quickly they developed? Also, where do you obtain them?
Thanks.
 
Thanks for the feedback, Elizebeth!
I have now completely given up the idea of giving him hormones.
As I mentioned, he was easy to get into panties, and when I suggested that he shave his legs so that pantyhose would look better, he was very receptive. He has been less receptive to wearing a bra under his male clothes.

Any ideas?
 
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Lisa.Dom said:
Thanks for the feedback, Elizebeth!
I have now completely given up the idea of giving him hormones.
As I mentioned, he was easy to get into panties, and when I suggested that he shave his legs so that pantyhose would look better, he was very receptive. He has been less receptive to wearing a bra under his male clothes.

Any ideas?

Well big difference wearing a bra, particularly when you don't need one! Can feel sexy wearing panties and pantyhose, a bra, not the same.

Maybe get him used to wearing one in private with you, during sex etc to get him used to having one on. Of course without breasts he'll never need to wear one, other than to please you.
 
Unsought feminisation

Elizebeth said:
Estrogen’s most direct change is male libido decline. This is caused by testosterone replacement with estrogen. It is testosterone which stimulates nocturnal penile tumescence, spontaneous erections and male sexual activity in general. This results in the male need for periodic ejaculation one way or another. Due to the influence of estrogen, the testes' production of testosterone and sperm almost ceases if maintained for years. Sex drive changes to the female response. Male dominating sexual activity eventually is not possible due to the inability of his penis to be rigid enough for vaginal penetration. After six months erections and ejaculations take longer to achieve. This effect is cumulative; the longer estrogen is applied, the more difficult to function sexually as a male.

Penile size diminishes along with reduced rigidity. Erections continue but are smaller, more infrequent, of shorter duration, only semi-erect and eventually even though stimulated and enlarged are too limp for vaginal penetration. His ejaculate lessens until it becomes a minor discharge of sticky clear liquid which dribbles and sputters instead of being a volcanic eruption. The ejaculate once fully feminized is limited to what the prostate produces without semen or sperm. Estrogen results in infertility. Inability to achieve or maintain an erection for vaginal penetration means this is a permanent de-cocking.

Feminizing with estrogen is, in effect, hormonal castration. Impotency and sterility are irreversible. Hormonal estrogen castration, once fully accomplished, removes 98% of testes testosterone production. This shut down of his testes and resulting testosterone reduction influences his entire body. Once this occurs the penis is sexually satisfied in a manner similar to your clitoris. It enlarges, feels pleasure with rubbing, reaches orgasm but does not ejaculate semen. He experiences a female orgasm and can immediately repeat sexual performance until fully sated with a type of prostrate ejaculation which is a full body experience instead of the normal male penis ejaculate oriented orgasm.

Breast development begins after a few months but takes three years or longer to complete. First the breasts bud out with enlargement starting around and behind the areolas. This area slowly fills and expands with fatty tissue. During this process they are sensitive to bumping or touching as when you were developing. Growth spurts, sputters and temporarily stops but resumes until full development. This change is accompanied with breast tenderness, tingling and even possible minor nipple discharge.
While I have not been aiming at feminising myself, my hormone profile would reflect a lot of what Elizebeth has said here.
I first needed testosterone supplementation at age 50 because my own body’s production was very low and I have a naturally high level of oestrogen (approximately that of a 30 Y.O. woman) in my system. I found I was fine in all respects except I lost more hair and was developing relatively advanced symptoms of Benign Prostate Hypertrophy (BHP) by the time I was 55/56. As a result I was prescribed Finasteride at 5mg once per day. This works by deactivating the Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in the body. DHT is 5 times more powerful than testosterone and also in a man’s body counteracts the effects of oestrogen.
My symptoms of BPH subsided for a year and I had some hair regrowth on my head, my nipples enlarged a little and I had some erection problems and my penis shrunk to around 2” when erect.
After a year I was again showing signs of BPH and since my father died from Prostatic cancer my GP increased my dosage of Finasteride to 5mg twice a day. Since that time my penis has shrunk to a point where it is practically none existent and at times the head of my cock can be withdrawn inside my body by up to an inch. I haven’t had an erection for 18 months and stopped having male orgasms about a year ago. The time between losing my erections totally and ceasing male orgasms, I was able to get myself off by stroking the head of my submerged with 3 fingers, in a similar fashion to how you would masturbate a female. At the point of orgasm my cock would have swollen a little for a few seconds during orgasm then quickly shrunk again. Around a year ago I ceased being able to make myself cum in any way. Instead my only sexual release is now through what some women experience as spontaneous orgasms. They occur as a result of a mental stimulus while feeling sexually aroused. During this arousal my cock would produce quite copious amounts of clear slippery liquid, more in line with a woman’s vagina rather than a man’s cock. As orgasm approaches usually from the thigh muscles, passing through the groin, stomach upwards through the nipples, shoulders and ending with a tingling of the scalp. At this point I would ejaculate quite large amounts of fluid, similar to male cum but thinner and more copious than had in many years. Often a second or third orgasm would happen straight away this time beginning as low as the feet and working upwards. Each orgasm resulting in large emissions of fluid and leaving me feeling extremely physically drained and literally weak at the knees. On some occasions I could have a similar experience within the same 24 hours then it could be many weeks before this would occur again. In the past when I couldn’t or didn’t cum for a period exceeding a week or so I would find myself having involuntary emissions after a week to 10 days. That has stopped happening since I have been experiencing spontaneous orgasms. I also have lost the desire for penetrative sex with a woman but enjoy the idea of oral sex both with my wife (as was) and her male partners. I came to really enjoy and crave her lover’s cum and found myself bonding emotionally with men whose cum I ate regularly. As well as wanting to taste their cum, I wanted my wife to have sex with them more often and more exclusively.
I have found that in addition to my cock shrinking my balls have shrunk to the size of shelled almonds and are usually totally held inside my body. My natural testosterone production is now almost zero, some 99.8% of what it was in my youth. My hair is still continuing to return and increase in thickness and lustre. My nipples have enlarged a little more and are almost permanently erect, though my areolas shrink and expand to temperature and sexual arousal. At such times the nipples will swell more and become redder.
I haven’t noticed any reduction in body hair, I am naturally very hirsute, and only the slightest increase it fat in the breast areas. I might also add here it has never been my intention to feminise myself and all through this period I have been receiving testosterone supplementation, firstly as capsules, then patches and now finally injections. It has just been decided, since my last hormone profile, that the frequency of injections will increase from one every 3 months to one every 2 months.
You can see some of the things I’ve been referring to here in one of my albums via this link on Cuckolds.com. I’m sure that there would have been considerably more feminisation had I not been having testosterone supplementation. I think it reinforces all Elizebeth has been saying that I have experienced so many of the symptoms she states while having quite high testosterone supplementation. I hope this helps others who might be experiencing similar symptoms or who are going for the feminisation that others have said they desire.

LLC

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I would skip the bra. Do not become subject to his fetishism.

My husband became feminized well after 50 with herbal estrogen which I introduced and promoted. I did this as I was tired of managing his ejaculations and I wanted to pursue my affairs.

I limit his feminine exhibition. In public we are a normal couple. I allow him to wear woman's knee socks and nylon briefs. His prancing about with female attire is a bore to me but I abet it as it allows me to manage the marriage and have my affairs. We have separate bedrooms where he is permitted to "dress up".

There is a small group of wives who like me who have serial affairs who also have feminized husbands. About once a month we meet and have the husbands "dress up".
 

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