Tyranny Doth A Tiring Tyrant Try
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No one can declare the 2nd amendment null and void. Our system doesn't work like that. There's little danger of the Dems or Obama angering the gun rights constituency by anything but minor tinkering with existing gun control laws. Besides it's more at the local level that gun control laws are an issue to be concerned about.
What's the relevance of Waco? And why in god's name are people so hung up on Clinton as if the last 8 years and Bush didn't happen? Or that the republicans controlled congress for most of the past 2 decades? Weird shit.
What's the relevance of Waco? And why in god's name are people so hung up on Clinton as if the last 8 years and Bush didn't happen? Or that the republicans controlled congress for most of the past 2 decades? Weird shit.
Hamas started this war. Again I say, why do the Palestineans put up with factions like this. Those people are being killed because of some fundamentalist. If these people had balls, which they don't, they would find members of Hamas and take care of them themselves. IT is like this in many islamic countries. People do car bombings and it is okay. Why don't these people find the ones responsible and take care of them. Start doing that in this country, and they will be found quickly. If those Islamic fools do it in the south, pray for them. Hasn't any of the Islamic nations learned not to mess with Israel. THey are small but they are bad.
" He protected us after 911 "......>?
Hey Elizabeth T....you forgot one thing...Mr. Bush was president for 9 nine months when 911 happened....so you can say he was the president when we experienced the worst domestic terrorist attack ever......you can't claim one without taking the responsibility for the other.......
Hey Elizabeth T....you forgot one thing...Mr. Bush was president for 9 nine months when 911 happened....so you can say he was the president when we experienced the worst domestic terrorist attack ever......you can't claim one without taking the responsibility for the other.......
Rosquirts
I agree with your statements about all media outlets, yes there is biased and misleading reporting on both sides and we all must be diligent in how we read into what is said. I do disagree with you on the ignorance of the American people, I think perhaps we can be easily misled and are lazy but fortunately most of those of whom you speak tend not to vote, present election accepted. Most citizens who do vote care about what is going on and do question the information in much the same way you and slaveboy have made your points. This very thing you are concerned with is the reason our founders put in place the Electoral College as a protection against the passions of the people. Unfortunately the electors today walk lock step with their political parties instead of acting as a check on the people. As for you Toni your fears about President elect Obama are unfounded. I like you was skeptical about how he would serve as president. His liberal background and pandering to the left fear mongers and liars caused me much distress. However his actions to this point have demonstrated that he will not govern as an ideologue, but instead has approached this office in a very pragmatic way. Do not jump to judgment to quickly, allow him some room to initiate his policies and watch closely. He has shown signs of being a leader we can trust. Oh and for those far left liberals out there, you will be very disappointed in his tenure in office. Basically you were the ones who were most severely misled. How ironic that a conservative like me and others most probably will be the defenders of this president against the onslaught of the near irrational left, i.e.: Huffington Post, MSNBC, and others. God Bless America and both President and President Elect of the United States.
I agree with your statements about all media outlets, yes there is biased and misleading reporting on both sides and we all must be diligent in how we read into what is said. I do disagree with you on the ignorance of the American people, I think perhaps we can be easily misled and are lazy but fortunately most of those of whom you speak tend not to vote, present election accepted. Most citizens who do vote care about what is going on and do question the information in much the same way you and slaveboy have made your points. This very thing you are concerned with is the reason our founders put in place the Electoral College as a protection against the passions of the people. Unfortunately the electors today walk lock step with their political parties instead of acting as a check on the people. As for you Toni your fears about President elect Obama are unfounded. I like you was skeptical about how he would serve as president. His liberal background and pandering to the left fear mongers and liars caused me much distress. However his actions to this point have demonstrated that he will not govern as an ideologue, but instead has approached this office in a very pragmatic way. Do not jump to judgment to quickly, allow him some room to initiate his policies and watch closely. He has shown signs of being a leader we can trust. Oh and for those far left liberals out there, you will be very disappointed in his tenure in office. Basically you were the ones who were most severely misled. How ironic that a conservative like me and others most probably will be the defenders of this president against the onslaught of the near irrational left, i.e.: Huffington Post, MSNBC, and others. God Bless America and both President and President Elect of the United States.
If Old Billy Clinton would have done something the first time, there would not have been 9-11. Every body wants to blame Bush for that. If Clinton would have done his job and been the Head of the Oval Office instead of getting head in the Oval Office, the first time would have never happened. But 9-11 did happen and again the American people came together and our great military has put a big dent in Al Quida & the Taliban. But with Iran out there helping everyone, I think our new President will be tested. I am sure the American people will come together if something does happen and forget their party alliances and remember the most important thing, "We are Americans". Now is the time for all Americans to stand strong and support our new President.
Evil?
Itsraylene, perhaps you should look up the definition in the dictionary. If you think you have seen evil at work then you have led a truly sheltered and uninformed existence. Next time try and remove your emotional opinions from your discussions on things of a political and economic nature. facts are much more influential and will help to make you look much more knowledgeable.
Itsraylene, perhaps you should look up the definition in the dictionary. If you think you have seen evil at work then you have led a truly sheltered and uninformed existence. Next time try and remove your emotional opinions from your discussions on things of a political and economic nature. facts are much more influential and will help to make you look much more knowledgeable.
evil? yes!
Bush in Arizona cutting into a birthday cake for John McCain while poor people were drowning in New Orleans and FEMA did nothing? EVIL!
Bringing back torture of prisoners? ("Waterboarding" was used in the Spanish Inquisition. Japanese military officers who had used waterboarding against US and British prisoners of war in the Second World War were tried and imprisoned by the allies as war criminals.) EVIL!
Invading a country (Iraq) that posed no threat whatever to the United States and selling the war to the people on a pretext ("weapons of mass destruction") that was entirely false? A war that costs approximately one trillion dollars, has claimed the lives of over 4,000 US soldiers, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and made more than two million of them refugees in other countries? EVIL!
Vetoing S-CHIP health insurance coverage for poor children? EVIL!
Wasting eight years that the world had to act while global warming advanced, meanwhile doing nothing about the problem and censoring government scientists who were warning of the accelerating danger? EVIL!
No, I haven't led a sheltered life. I could go on and on all night agripa, but if you don't see it by now, there's probably nothing I can say that will make you see it. Actually, I'm a woman who chooses her words pretty carefully. I used the word "evil" because that's exactly what I meant. In a just world, Bush and Cheney would be going to prison now, not just back to their homes.
agripa said:
Bush in Arizona cutting into a birthday cake for John McCain while poor people were drowning in New Orleans and FEMA did nothing? EVIL!
Bringing back torture of prisoners? ("Waterboarding" was used in the Spanish Inquisition. Japanese military officers who had used waterboarding against US and British prisoners of war in the Second World War were tried and imprisoned by the allies as war criminals.) EVIL!
Invading a country (Iraq) that posed no threat whatever to the United States and selling the war to the people on a pretext ("weapons of mass destruction") that was entirely false? A war that costs approximately one trillion dollars, has claimed the lives of over 4,000 US soldiers, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and made more than two million of them refugees in other countries? EVIL!
Vetoing S-CHIP health insurance coverage for poor children? EVIL!
Wasting eight years that the world had to act while global warming advanced, meanwhile doing nothing about the problem and censoring government scientists who were warning of the accelerating danger? EVIL!
No, I haven't led a sheltered life. I could go on and on all night agripa, but if you don't see it by now, there's probably nothing I can say that will make you see it. Actually, I'm a woman who chooses her words pretty carefully. I used the word "evil" because that's exactly what I meant. In a just world, Bush and Cheney would be going to prison now, not just back to their homes.
RoSquirts said:
The democrats controlled the presidency and congress when Waco occurred. Some people need to get their facts straight before they post weird shit. Evidently you don't have much knowledge of what type of country the USA is supposed to be, unless you bought into this liberal BS socialist society.
Elizabeth T said:
I guess bush playing golf 40% of the time during his pre-911 reign and setting a terrific example for those below him to be just as lax had absolutely nothing to do with it! Yeah, I guess the best way to protect this country is by flaunting in front of the cnn cam on a golf cart and throwing 'good ole boy' jokes at the journalists! Yeah, I could see how that would make the terrorists just shake in horror.
A Just Worl?
Itsraylene, when you climb down off of your high horse please look around. A just world does not and has not ever existed. Perhaps in fairy tales or a delusional persons grasp of reality, but not in actuality. Leaders make the best decisions they can with the information at hand, they do not have the luxury of hindsight or a crystal ball in order to fit into some people’s ideas of perfection. You’re lucky that you are able to use your gift of hindsight and the fortune of owning a pair of rose colored classes to view the world in your own unique way. If you do find your "Just World" please let us all know its location, I'm sure we would all like to relocate there. Until then I have a difficult task for you this evening that may take you a day or two to fully absorb. Tune into the NBC broadcast the is going on at this moment covering the inaugural extravaganza of the affirmation of all your wildest dreams. View it and absorb it, relish in it, let it carry you away and make you feel good. Then after the euphoria has subsided try adding up the cost to American tax payers for this event. Then multiply it by the time and energy put out by those who are putting it all together. Now ask yourself this, "Wouldn’t this money and effort be better spent assisting the people in this country who are in need at this very moment?" Now please don't try and rationalize it because you would never allow me to rationalize the methodologies of those you dislike. If we are in such desperate times perhaps what we are witnessing is a form of evil as well? Oh and chew on this for a moment as well. I believe the global warming thing is perhaps one of the greatest lies perpetrated on the American people in a long time. I will rely on the geological record to support this statement as well as the admitted lies of Al Gores chief scientists to get the public to respond to their agenda. I mean please, are we this arrogant to think that man has this much ability to impact nature. As you have already pointed out nature always wins (reference your Katrina comments). Beware New Orleans nature will prevail again.
Itsraylene, when you climb down off of your high horse please look around. A just world does not and has not ever existed. Perhaps in fairy tales or a delusional persons grasp of reality, but not in actuality. Leaders make the best decisions they can with the information at hand, they do not have the luxury of hindsight or a crystal ball in order to fit into some people’s ideas of perfection. You’re lucky that you are able to use your gift of hindsight and the fortune of owning a pair of rose colored classes to view the world in your own unique way. If you do find your "Just World" please let us all know its location, I'm sure we would all like to relocate there. Until then I have a difficult task for you this evening that may take you a day or two to fully absorb. Tune into the NBC broadcast the is going on at this moment covering the inaugural extravaganza of the affirmation of all your wildest dreams. View it and absorb it, relish in it, let it carry you away and make you feel good. Then after the euphoria has subsided try adding up the cost to American tax payers for this event. Then multiply it by the time and energy put out by those who are putting it all together. Now ask yourself this, "Wouldn’t this money and effort be better spent assisting the people in this country who are in need at this very moment?" Now please don't try and rationalize it because you would never allow me to rationalize the methodologies of those you dislike. If we are in such desperate times perhaps what we are witnessing is a form of evil as well? Oh and chew on this for a moment as well. I believe the global warming thing is perhaps one of the greatest lies perpetrated on the American people in a long time. I will rely on the geological record to support this statement as well as the admitted lies of Al Gores chief scientists to get the public to respond to their agenda. I mean please, are we this arrogant to think that man has this much ability to impact nature. As you have already pointed out nature always wins (reference your Katrina comments). Beware New Orleans nature will prevail again.
To itsraylene- Do not Blame Bush for New Orleans. The people knew a category 5 storm was coming. The Mayor of that city has to make sure that people can be evacuated. School buses were only 5 blocks away. Those people died because they had a mayor who did not care about the people. He cared when he found out many were drowning. When Rita came in on our end a month later, we all got out of there as we have left for every hurricane. If the weather service tells you to get out, you do just that. These people were warned 4 days ahead that this storm was coming.
to blkoralslave - If someone you know does not like you and your are playing a sport and that person comes up to you and knocks the holy crap out of you, were you prepared for that. It had happened to us before. The President Before Bush should have taken the necessary action to make sure it never happened again. They had many opportunities under Clinto to either capture Bin Laden or kill him and neither were done. But in your case, I bet from then on everytime you saw this guy coming you would be ready. We were never attacked again.
to blkoralslave - If someone you know does not like you and your are playing a sport and that person comes up to you and knocks the holy crap out of you, were you prepared for that. It had happened to us before. The President Before Bush should have taken the necessary action to make sure it never happened again. They had many opportunities under Clinto to either capture Bin Laden or kill him and neither were done. But in your case, I bet from then on everytime you saw this guy coming you would be ready. We were never attacked again.
Will, I disagree with some of your points in your post, as you well know.
What I don't disagree on is the main point though. I think Bush was an incompetent president, period. Caling him evil is just going way too far. It's the kind of rhetoric that I oppose from either the left or the right. People have differences of opinion, that's life. But when the differences are described as good and/or evil or by other divisive terms, it serves no purpose other than to divide.
I believe when he says he did what he thought was right for the american people. I believe he regrets his mistakes. I believe he deserves the respect that someone who took on for 8 years one of the most onerous jobs in the world, should get. As much as I believe that Obama should be given a fair chance to, at least, get in office and execute his job before being attacked by his political opponents.
I can point out details of what Obama has done so far that I disagree with, what Bush did that I disagree with, but it's not the important thing right now. The important thing is we look forward to solving our problems, not backwards, that we give our new president a fair chance to get a good start. And we all stop with the rhetoric of divisiveness and hate and act like we're of one nation and disagreement is healthy and necessary for good decision making.
What I don't disagree on is the main point though. I think Bush was an incompetent president, period. Caling him evil is just going way too far. It's the kind of rhetoric that I oppose from either the left or the right. People have differences of opinion, that's life. But when the differences are described as good and/or evil or by other divisive terms, it serves no purpose other than to divide.
I believe when he says he did what he thought was right for the american people. I believe he regrets his mistakes. I believe he deserves the respect that someone who took on for 8 years one of the most onerous jobs in the world, should get. As much as I believe that Obama should be given a fair chance to, at least, get in office and execute his job before being attacked by his political opponents.
I can point out details of what Obama has done so far that I disagree with, what Bush did that I disagree with, but it's not the important thing right now. The important thing is we look forward to solving our problems, not backwards, that we give our new president a fair chance to get a good start. And we all stop with the rhetoric of divisiveness and hate and act like we're of one nation and disagreement is healthy and necessary for good decision making.
Elizabeth T said:
I don't blame either Bush or Clinton for 9/11, I blame Alqueda. Looking in the rear view mirror both administrations made mistakes that may have prevented it, but what's the relevance? none
As for there not being an attack since, I think that has nothing to do with the president, nor anything we do. Alqueda achieved their goals way beyond their wildest dreams. They sucked us into 2 wars that became draining grounds for our resources, recruitment fields for their ranks and weakened their enemies standing in the mideast while propping up thier allies, primarily Syria and Iran. No need for an attack. I think we need to face the fact that there will be another attack one day on us by terrorists. We should prepare to deal with it and attempt to prevent it. Casting blame and applauding the absence of an attack will not help us do either. On the contrary , I think it stifles our ability to make sound decisions.
The response to katrina sucked at all levels of government, period. There was nothing but incompetency at all levels, whether it be by appointments, tactics, public statements, or disbursement of resources. I believe and hope that the appropriate changes have been made in our methods of disaster response and that's the important thing. Tossing blame around is pointless.
