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  • #441
Steve,
From my point of view using the condom is not much of a denial. Cutting you off completely would be greater. But that's my point of view, how you see it is what counts. I agree with Will, I think Sue is giving you the condoms because she thinks that it's easier on you than total denial.
On another note I have a question for you. I caught your post on Thursday just as you posted it, when Sue texted you that she was going to Frank's. For me to know in real time that Sue was at Frank's was a real turn on I had all kinds of pictures in my head of what they were doing. It stayed in my thoughts for the 2 hours I was confident that she was with him. My question for you is when you know in "real time" that Sue is with Frank, how dose it affect you? What do you do?
I'm sure that the pictures in your head are much more vivid than mine, You've been there to witness it.
 
  • #442
Of course it turns me on - she knows that a text message like that is much more pointed than her mentioning it earlier in the day on the phone with me so I'm sure she knows that. I do have all sorts of visions of her - but I can't possibly post them every time I have them. She is very open with Frank as with the guys before - she's not shy and if it's warm enough, she enjoys being naked with him or just wearing one of his shirts. In my mind whatever position she's in it's one that makes her pussy visible to him. She did share that they'd had sex twice and I definitely had the wicked thought that as she texted me she was either perhaps fucking him, or had just finished.

That's I think what's maybe bothering me about the condom thing - she's always loved it when I or the other guys would cum in her - it's one of the things that attracted me to her in the first place, that she liked that. So in a way, I think that's why this condom thing is hitting me.

What I do love the most though is to think of her at the peak of her orgasm - there is something just incredibly beautiful and arousing to see her ride over the crest and see her tremble as she cums. Knowng what Frank feels at that moment - knowing he's sharing that moment with her (and me) is a huge turn on. Seeing her pleasure like that, it's like it doesn't matter how she's getting it - from me or from Frank - it just turns me on to see her let go - and obviously - it will often push me over the edge to think of Frank cumming in her at that moment.
 
  • #443
STB
i think i would give it a try and see where sue want's to go with it.

but i am also getting the idea that you more than not will now be able to stop her now if it goes to far for you.

i hope that i am wrong but she has something in mind and i think you do not know what it is as of yet.

well good luck and keep us posted.
 
  • #444
dana007 said:
STB
i think i would give it a try and see where sue want's to go with it.

but i am also getting the idea that you more than not will now be able to stop her now if it goes to far for you.

i hope that i am wrong but she has something in mind and i think you do not know what it is as of yet.

well good luck and keep us posted.

I think You are spot on Dana. I have had the same thought for a while.
 
  • #445
I've read all of these last few posts several times and I suppose they may be accurate. I have a lot of stuff in my head right now that I'm not totally sure about and need to think about for a bit longer. I think I should maybe start a new thread here when I have them sorted out a bit more.
 
  • #446
Very Wise.
 
  • #447
STB,
Beware the siren voices. Sue is not about to betray you or herself. Her new found leadership is still fragile in her head and its progress will be inclusive and fed by truth and acceptance.
 
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peakmb said:
STB,
Beware the siren voices. Sue is not about to betray you or herself. Her new found leadership is still fragile in her head and its progress will be inclusive and fed by truth and acceptance.

Depends what you call betrayal.

Sue is not leaving Steve. After that all bets are off.
 
  • #449
WILL
you maybe right about all bets are off.

so stb might want to watch out keeping his eye's open for the next thing to come down the line.
 
  • #450
Will,
I think you have said before we have different levels of faith in human nature. I'm sure you are right. Time will tell.
 
  • #451
We are a long way from the final chapter.
 
  • #452
The train has a new engineer

Steve, In view of recent developments, I thought it appropriate to look back a bit at some things you have written and mostly, some quotes from Sue, that you have posted:

Condoms
05.21.2012: “Sue said she "hated condoms" and both Frank and I chimed in with "we know!" at the same time which made us all laugh.”

This is not the first time this has come up. In fact, it is a ‘constant’ throughout your narrative, that Sue dislikes being fucked with the use of a condom, and the sooner she can dispense with them, the better.

9.15.2012: She said, "if you really need to, would you use a condom?"

10.01.2012: “I honestly didn't know if she was serious or just teasing me. "I was really turned on with Frank all week,.... " and then she added, "or, like I told you before I left, maybe you could use a condom?"

10.18.2012: “In our build up to my second time last night, she asked me how I felt about, not just cumming in her, but also not fucking [her] too. I asked her whether she wouldn't miss both and she quickly replied, "it's just us talking" and then added, "but I'd think there would be someone who'd 'fill in for you” ..... She started to just talk, she said, "I mean on one hand you could still fuck me and maybe just pull out at the end". She paused for a second and then said, "or, I guess maybe you could use a condom if you didn't want to pull out.””

‘Don’t want you to cum in me’
04.23.2010: “And then she said it, she said something that drove me wild, she said, "you know Don doesn't like you to cum in me!

06.25.2012: "It turns you on doesn't it?" "that I don't want you to cum in me?" “

10.15.2012: “I asked her what she's thinking and she said that, maybe 3 or 4 times a year, that she'd like to get away and let herself go sexually. She held my hand, and said in a serious voice, "I'm going to not want you to cum in me then," and she proceeded to say, that she was now sure that this all turned me on, and she wanted to confirm that, and I agreed. I know it sounds crazy to be talking like this but at the time and even now, looking / thinking back, I'm okay with it.”

11.11.2012: “"I just don't want you to cum in me, until I go away with Frank, you know that, we talked about it ..... I thought this [using condoms] would be better for you than having none at all"”

Another man
10.25.2012: “"what if I find someone, ‘kind of like Don,’ who wants some of what he was asking me for?" [for you not to cum in me] Before I could answer she added, "I know neither of us were ready for that back then," and with a hesitation in her voice she added, "but I think I may be [ready] now.”
“I asked her, "what are you thinking," and she looked at me and said that she was thinking, that she'd like a lover who wanted her, "more exclusively," and that while it was a ‘turn off’ when Don had 'demanded' it from her, that she now thought it might be exciting, if 'she' had a lover who wanted her more [exclusively] than Frank does, and she looked at me and said, "how are you going to feel if you have to wait longer to have me?"
“She giggled and said, "of course you'll still get to have me sometimes." ..... "you know, it's been over 25 years, that you've been cumming in me,” ..... “Maybe, a little break wouldn't be so bad." ..... "you’ll be horny while you wait, knowing someone else was enjoying my pussy instead of you, won't you?"”
(Emphasis mine, harry)

All of that, to say this:
If Sue dislikes condoms so much, why is she proposing that you use condoms exclusively for sex with her? (2 weeks, for now) (later .....?)

I suggest that it’s not just to be kind to you, (although that would be part of it, since she loves you) but to get you to accept what she believes will be inevitable, when she has a lover “like Don” that will want to have her, exclusively “bare” and exclusively “clean” for him.

Bear in mind that: "of course you'll still get to have me sometimes." didn't tell you how often.

There is also the matter of you, “not cumming in me” [her] which comes up every Wed. Night. I suggest that could be ‘programing’ you to satisfy yourself, ‘by hand’ when your needs get too great. (think Pavlov’s dog psychology)

This is a new train you are on, Sue is driving now, and like Dana said, I don’t know if you can stop it any more. Sue knows you too well. She knows what buttons to push, she knows what turns you on. Most of all, it is her pleasure she is fulfilling, yours is now incidental.

Sue may be waiting until, “after the holidays’ to seriously look for her, (“someone, ‘kind of like Don,”)” but that’s not saying she will keep her eyes shut until then, nor that she hasn’t met someone already, and just not, ‘tried him out’ yet.

As before, when you have experienced an escalation, this will certainly be an exciting time for you. I am not saying that there are, red flags all over the place, I'm done with that, but you have to know, that after all the time that you have wanted Sue to, “want this for herself,” she has obviously arrived there. She is now the engineer. You are still her husband, but pulling the emergency chain, just may not work anymore!

Cheers, Harry
 
  • #453
Two additional things that come to my mind tend to support Harry and Dana's posts. I will apologise to for not being thorough and referencing dates (kudos to you, Harry!).

Several times in recent weeks Sue has told Steve of her feeling now that she will always want another man in her life going forward. At first she seemed to say it in a more teasing way that served to feel Steve out. More recent conversations have Sue telling Steve again that she is going to desire having another man but in a much more matter of fact way than before. Sue mentions liking the idea of living two seperate lives. I think these both point to Steve having to deal with major fallout from Sue should he decide now to pull the emergency stop rope.

My other thoughts have to do with the condom issue. I don't know how many times in Steve's descriptions of sex with Sue, whether it be reclaiming her or just on their week-ends alone, it has been mentioned that Sue seems to have another orgasm upon feeling Steve unload deeply inside her. Will Sue now orgasm stronger when Steve cums now knowing it is being wasted harmlessly in a condom? Or will containing his load in a condom rob Sue of the warm feeling of Steve's cum spreading inside her that seems to trigger the additional orgasm? Could this be Sue thinking ahead to reduce the enjoyment she gets sexually with Steve so she can more fully desire and give herself more completely to Frank or a future man?
 
  • #454
Jaxunman said:
Two additional things that come to my mind tend to support Harry and Dana's posts. I will apologise to for not being thorough and referencing dates (kudos to you, Harry!).

Several times in recent weeks Sue has told Steve of her feeling now that she will always want another man in her life going forward. At first she seemed to say it in a more teasing way that served to feel Steve out. More recent conversations have Sue telling Steve again that she is going to desire having another man but in a much more matter of fact way than before. Sue mentions liking the idea of living two seperate lives. I think these both point to Steve having to deal with major fallout from Sue should he decide now to pull the emergency stop rope.

My other thoughts have to do with the condom issue. I don't know how many times in Steve's descriptions of sex with Sue, whether it be reclaiming her or just on their week-ends alone, it has been mentioned that Sue seems to have another orgasm upon feeling Steve unload deeply inside her. Will Sue now orgasm stronger when Steve cums now knowing it is being wasted harmlessly in a condom? Or will containing his load in a condom rob Sue of the warm feeling of Steve's cum spreading inside her that seems to trigger the additional orgasm? Could this be Sue thinking ahead to reduce the enjoyment she gets sexually with Steve so she can more fully desire and give herself more completely to Frank or a future man?

I have been saying for a while where I though this was going. My hats off to Harry for going back and matching up dates.

Steve can pull that cord all He wants. He will find it been cut.

Now if she doesn't want steve to cum in Her for a while. Franks sex drive is too low for Sue.

What do You think Sue is going to DO??????

I still think Sue has Franks replacement all picked out. I have thought that for a while. Now weather He is just not able to right now I don't know.

Steve don't bother asking. You won't get a straight answer.
 
  • #455
Harry and Jax.

well said both of you i think are right on with this.
 
  • #456
will2112001 said:
I have been saying for a while where I though this was going. My hats off to Harry for going back and matching up dates.

Steve can pull that cord all He wants. He will find it been cut.

Now if she doesn't want steve to cum in Her for a while. Franks sex drive is too low for Sue.

What do You think Sue is going to DO??????

I still think Sue has Franks replacement all picked out. I have thought that for a while. Now weather He is just not able to right now I don't know.

Steve don't bother asking. You won't get a straight answer.

Will, you may be right in that Sue has her eye on someone already. She may be playing the hard to get flirty type with him already. Maybe this trip will be her final hurrah with Frank and she plans to ring in the new year with a new man?
 
  • #457
Thanks! I'm glad some are seeing this the way I am.
Steve, I hope this is what you are expecting, and what you are wanting, because it just may be happening.
This is your life, You and Sue, along with whomever she chooses next. I hope it works for you. I do care!

I have said it before, that it would not be my choice, and glad I don't have your decisions to make. That, of course, colors my understanding, so sorry if I am not seeing the picture as you do. Just my opinion.

BTW, Carol & I did have a great and 'loving' time in Williams, AZ. It caused me to wonder, are you and Sue going to go skiing this winter?

Cheers, Harry
 
  • #458
Harry2614 said:
Thanks! I'm glad some are seeing this the way I am.
Steve, I hope this is what you are expecting, and what you are wanting, because it just may be happening.
This is your life, You and Sue, along with whomever she chooses next. I hope it works for you. I do care!

I have said it before, that it would not be my choice, and glad I don't have your decisions to make. That, of course, colors my understanding, so sorry if I am not seeing the picture as you do. Just my opinion.

BTW, Carol & I did have a great and 'loving' time in Williams, AZ. It caused me to wonder, are you and Sue going to go skiing this winter?

Cheers, Harry

LOL Snow is over rated. Went up to Prescott Az. Saturday to watch a hockey game with a Lady Friend. I saw snow for the first time in 13 years. Thats when I moved from Boston. Forgot just how much I hated it.

As Harry said it would not be His choice. But from reading Your posts. I have a feeling about You. I would tell You, Look into Your Soul. And enbrace what it wants. Don't worry about what anyone told You over the years. About whats Right. Whats Wrong. Steve whats going to make You happy?
Now Go For It. Life is too short!!! Just Be Happy!!!!!
 
  • #459
STB
well said WILL.

it is wedensday again stb and i would bet you can't wait till tonight so you and sue can have your fun.

and what did happen to the text you were going to post about what you and sue talked about in the candel lite.

have fun tonight and keep us posted.
 
  • #460
Hey all - so, I guess it's my turn to do some soul-searching here and figure out what I want and what will work for us both.

I know I've been responsible for encouraging Sue and I am sure that I have probably given out mixed signals in the past.

Harry - your citations are correct - Sue has always professed to not like using condoms and I know this is also part of my dilemma.

Last night we were preoccupied with non-sex stuff - so not much was said about anything but I am expecting tonight to be when the circumstances will be right for us to talk about it more - that seems to be what Wednesdays have become, when we open up at share thoughts and desires while she encourages me to masturbate.

I guess what I need to accept is what others here have been saying - that she is becoming her own person with her own desires. They are somewhat in sync with my own desires and I will say that there is most definitely a part of me that is okay with all of this and wants to continue even if it may not be what I'd envisioned. What I don't feel is her slipping away from me at all - I don't have that fear or concern.

I could go on and on with my thoughts right now but I think it's perhaps better for me to simply wait till later tonight and hopefully talk more openly about it all.

What I can say now though is that I do not think there is anyone else in her eye just yet. I've not seen anything or heard anything that she has found anyone else - just her comments that she will be open to it after New Years. And now, with us having lost 2-3 weeks (weekends) of holiday shopping/prep time - and with Thanskgiving being next Thursday - she's not thinking about anything else (well, going away w/Frank is all else).

Regarding their plans - these have been fairly well set date-wise - her plan is to leave early on Friday, 12/7 and to not be back until late in the afternoon on Monday, 12/10. Apparently they are having some special offers at the new Revel casino/hotel so that's where they're booked to stay. It's odd that them going away together has become less of a concern for me now.
 
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