KingDavid,
KingDavid said:
Hello Custer, man, you sound like a smart guy…
Thanks. Unfortunately, saying “I’m a smart guy, and…” would be unlikely to lead to winning any sort of debate. Sensing that, I’ve never tried it.
KingDavid said:
It is unfortunate that …. you don't answer points directly. For example, if I said so far the only proofs found to support the theory of human evolution are a couple of monkey jaws…
You did say that…
KingDavid said:
…you answered saying “everything else,” but eventually you were unable to refute that.
In rebutting your assertion, I did not say — nor could I possibly have said — “everything else.” Rather, I merely stated a few obvious points. They can be compared to the support (none) you offered for your assertion.
KingDavid said:
…. A concrete fossil of that mystical "Missing Link" has never been found.
Nor need it ever “be found.” As I pointed out, the idea that according to the theory of evolution humans “descended” from apes is a misconception, albeit a widespread misconception. What are now “us humans” and the apes who live today have evolved in parallel.
KingDavid said:
Yeah, yeah… and I’m Nicolas Sarkozy, amusing myself in my spare time by typing in this forum.
KingDavid said:
…and as a scientist I require proof
You have it. You dismiss it out of hand, because it doesn’t accord with your preconceived notions.
KingDavid said:
…and Darwinist’s don't have it. Why would …. the zillions of evidence in the geological world, as supportive proof, have anything to do with explaining how humans appeared on Earth?
Um… the “zillions of evidence?” I thought you said you were a scientist. In any case, if by “the geological world” you mean the solid earth, that’s most of it. Its relevance is, that’s where most of the evidence is preserved of past life and the times when evolving life forms lived. Not incidentally, more recently DNA analysis has yielded convincing evidence of the evolution of species, including our own.
KingDavid said:
Please if you are going to answer, answer me with the proof of where humans come from, please nothing else.
I did. In response to your assertions that “We don’t know [where humans came from]”, and “a couple of monkey jaws are the only concrete proof [of the theory of evolution]”, my reply: “That is absolutely false.” was followed by 3 paragraphs of supporting facts. In support of your assertions, by contrast, you offered nothing.
KingDavid said:
My position is that many Darwinists …
As a “scientist,” you must know that “positions” have nothing to do with data. And, “Darwinists?” Again, this assumption that biological science has not advanced since 1859…
KingDavid said:
Who cares what the definition of the word "theory" is?
If you’re a scientist, as you claim, you should care a lot. And, everyone should care who is ****** to listen to the endless (now centuries-long) drumbeat from religious fundamentalists that the theory of evolution “isn’t true,” rather it is “just a theory,” and that’s the extent of their argument.
Incidentally, why is it the theory of evolution is the only solidly-proven description of the natural world that’s endlessly and tediously blasted by religious fundamentalists because it’s “just a theory”?
For instance, why don’t religious fundamentalists step off cliffs at scenic viewpoints, being convinced they would float pleasantly in the air and not fall to their deaths, because they’re convinced gravitation is “just a theory”? The theory of gravitation, of course, is supported by convincing evidence, but — just as clearly to those who look — the theory of evolution is likewise supported by convincing evidence. Is this a matter of, “I have eyes but I cannot see…”?
KingDavid said:
…. At the end of the day, I was told at school, and my kids were told at school, straight to our faces, that "men descended from apes” and the fossil proof was "found on the island of Java.”
At the risk of being repetitive, if — as you say — you’re a scientist, you could have done your children’s teacher a favor by pointing out (reasonably) that humans and apes have evolved in parallel, not sequentially. You could also have pointed out that the evidence for evolution, including human evolution, is found in innumerable places worldwide (not to mention in laboratories), not just in Java — although, no doubt, it’s found there too.
KingDavid said:
Now, what I am advocating here is that we revert to reality, and reality is: "WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HUMANS COME FROM.” What's wrong with that?
Plenty. Fortunately for humanity, our knowledge of the world around us, including our knowledge of human origins, has evolved (one might say) rather substantially, and continues to move forward rapidly, since Charles Darwin published “On the Origin of Species” in 1859.
KingDavid said:
I don't have a problem saying the entire human society is still debating about it.
If that’s what you say, you’re misinformed.
—Custer